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8 minutes ago, TJAshton said:

Not expensive signings though. Joel Taylor won’t be expensive either from Chester. 

Probably paid a fee for Asante.

But it is the wages, really.

It is fair to assume Chesterfield must have a massive wage bill based on them asking for a £1m loan from the DCMS.

This compares with us and Bosomworth suggesting he might be able to keep the loan to just below £400k. 

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8 hours ago, oldskir said:

Some people have very short memories. My recollection is that the standards in Conference North were far worse, and the quality of the games and the football was shocking much of the time.

Most teams that came to the Shay just parked the bus and played a spoiling sort of game. Some teams began time wasting from the first minute.

The standard in the National is not perfect, but it's certainly better, and I'm thankful we are here and not in the North. There is a decent enough level of entertainment, and at least most teams are trying to play football. Nearly every team is full time, and you can see that most sides are really well organised, good defensively, very fit, and keep their shape very well.

I think the main reason some people feel the standard is poor, is because the National League lacks any really top class and exciting strikers. A few years ago there were players like Gregory, Rowe, Gray at Luton, Moult at Wrexham and it raised the general look of things. But this type of player seems to have been vaccumed up by EFL and Scottish clubs.

If you do think our League is poor, take a look at some of the dross in EFL 2, and you might think again.

 

I definitely think the standard between L2 and the conference is much smaller than it used to be. Other than Macclesfield, who would have been well ok if not for non-footballing reasons, when was the last time a promoted team came straight back down again?

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Judging  by what other fans we are  pretty good team. We have won 5 drawn 2 and lost 1 of our last 8 games in that time we have had numerous injuries. The best thing is we have played 4 of the top 6 and not lost to one them.  

The Sutton fan is right if we finish in the top 7 I'm sure we will be the ones nobody wants to play.

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5 minutes ago, Amber SUFC said:

How many times have you watched Sutton this season? True we were poor on the day , most sides have off days, we had one yesterday. Doesn’t make us a bad side. What we have is a belief we can win games and if not ensure  we get something out of them. Halifax were brilliant yesterday and if we don’t win the league I certainly wouldn’t wish to meet you in the playoffs. Good luck with the remaining games.

Quite correct we have had a few flat performances but never looked really bad, when we are good we are very good.

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Watched the game late on last night and the two sayings keep popping into my head all day:

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "the one that got away",

In my review I said I would be happy with a point, but after this game I consider it to be 2 points dropped. Recent games we have commended the team on their game management, but yesterday was one that PW will have to chalk up to experience, because for me the game hinged on the substitutions.

Once we went 2-0 up and had Sutton on the ropes we should have kept the pressure on. Sutton had to sacrifice Beautyman to try to counteract the influence on the game that Earing was having. Once we removed Earing, and dropped into a more defensive line up, this allowed Beautyman to become more influential. Admittedly, there were very few options on the bench for PW to go to, but unless Earing was injured, there was no point in "saving" him for the next game in 9 days time. At the same time if the point of the exercise was to give Hyde some "game time" why not bring Williams off as Senior could fill in for him. So, giving Sutton 30 minutes to get back into the game proved to be too generous on our behalf.

First half, Sutton were not in the game, we had the first goal we needed from the clinical finish by Billy Chadwick, after a fortunate rebound from a blocked Green shot fell to him 12 yards out from goal, but he still had to put it away. It was 21 minutes before Sutton had sort of effort on goal, and 33 minutes before they won a corner. 1-0 at half-time was a lead but would not be enough to seal the points, as Sutton would look to change things at half-time.

Second half, we were still on top and I am still trying to work out how Sutton cleared the ball in the 56th minute when Davis for Sutton somehow blocked a Williams shot that I had already marked down as a goal. The second goal for Town on 60 minutes came as a result of tenacious work in midfield and an excellent through ball by Maher to give Earing the opportunity to continue his run into the area and slotting calmly into the bottom right hand corner.  The swap of Hyde for Earing, I still do not understand. Sutton could not cope with Earing, and once 2 up we should have been looking for a third, IMO no changes this early were necessary.

After we changed shape, Sutton brought on more subs to get more bodies into midfield which proved decisive as we were now limited to hoof ball to Hyde with lay offs to Chadwick and King, this did produce some chances but none that were converted. Sutton on the other hand were now piling on the pressure as any ball being cleared was going to Sutton feet and seemed to be coming straight back into the Town box. Added to this was the long throw threat, but we were warned in PW's pre-match comments that Sutton were dead ball specialists and would be looking to win free kicks to get crosses into the Town box. This paid off in the 74th minute when Sutton scored from a corner with a header that came off the bar and fell to a Sutton player who poked the rebound home for bring the score back to 2-1. 

Town managed to defend stoutly for the next 10 minutes, with once chance falling to Billy Chadwick who attempted to catch Bouzakis off his line but the shot was inches wide. Sutton were still piling forward spurred on by their goal, and Town gave away another corner in the 84th minute which was initially cleared to the edge of the box but the follow up attempt at clearing it by Hyde only led to it being headed back across the edge of the box, where it dropped for Simpson to lash it home on the half volley, giving Sam Johnson no chance of saving it. A few minutes later Town had a great break out which put King wide on the right hand side of the Sutton area, but his cut inside and shot went sailing over the bar and the last real chance of winning the game was gone.

Disappointing as it was to lose a 2 goal lead, we have to measure this against who the opposition were, 4 points clear at the top of the table, who had only let 4 other teams score 2 or more goals in 28 games, and who were the second highest scoring team. Town made this game difficult for Sutton by the high pressing they produced, much the same way as they did against Notts County, and that we were still able to score 2 goals with effectively a 1 man strike force. This Town team should fear no one in this division, and with all of the starting players available they are capable of beating any team. So, while this draw will put a dent in any aspirations of  gaining automatic promotion, it augurs well for the final run in, where teams will not wanting to playing us, with the current form we are in.

Now we have played all of the top 3 teams home and away we should be able to concentrate on beating the teams around us and ensuring we put the lower table opposition to the sword. The play offs are still within the grasp of this squad, and with Hyde getting back to full speed and Summerfield on the horizon we are more than capable of a top 5 finish. 

 

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Earing was complaining of a tight hamstring and was going to be subbed before he scored. Better to take him off than maybe lose him for a lot of the last games, we have enough influential players struggling without losing Earing for a big lump of games.

 

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9 minutes ago, townmad said:

Earing was complaining of a tight hamstring and was going to be subbed before he scored. Better to take him off than maybe lose him for a lot of the last games, we have enough influential players struggling without losing Earing for a big lump of games.

 

As said maybe like for like with Spence replacing Earing may have been the better option & not disturbing the play as much, then bringing Hyde on a little later.

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40 minutes ago, ITMAN said:

Watched the game late on last night and the two sayings keep popping into my head all day:

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "the one that got away",

In my review I said I would be happy with a point, but after this game I consider it to be 2 points dropped. Recent games we have commended the team on their game management, but yesterday was one that PW will have to chalk up to experience, because for me the game hinged on the substitutions.

Once we went 2-0 up and had Sutton on the ropes we should have kept the pressure on. Sutton had to sacrifice Beautyman to try to counteract the influence on the game that Earing was having. Once we removed Earing, and dropped into a more defensive line up, this allowed Beautyman to become more influential. Admittedly, there were very few options on the bench for PW to go to, but unless Earing was injured, there was no point in "saving" him for the next game in 9 days time. At the same time if the point of the exercise was to give Hyde some "game time" why not bring Williams off as Senior could fill in for him. So, giving Sutton 30 minutes to get back into the game proved to be too generous on our behalf.

First half, Sutton were not in the game, we had the first goal we needed from the clinical finish by Billy Chadwick, after a fortunate rebound from a blocked Green shot fell to him 12 yards out from goal, but he still had to put it away. It was 21 minutes before Sutton had sort of effort on goal, and 33 minutes before they won a corner. 1-0 at half-time was a lead but would not be enough to seal the points, as Sutton would look to change things at half-time.

Second half, we were still on top and I am still trying to work out how Sutton cleared the ball in the 56th minute when Davis for Sutton somehow blocked a Williams shot that I had already marked down as a goal. The second goal for Town on 60 minutes came as a result of tenacious work in midfield and an excellent through ball by Maher to give Earing the opportunity to continue his run into the area and slotting calmly into the bottom right hand corner.  The swap of Hyde for Earing, I still do not understand. Sutton could not cope with Earing, and once 2 up we should have been looking for a third, IMO no changes this early were necessary.

After we changed shape, Sutton brought on more subs to get more bodies into midfield which proved decisive as we were now limited to hoof ball to Hyde with lay offs to Chadwick and King, this did produce some chances but none that were converted. Sutton on the other hand were now piling on the pressure as any ball being cleared was going to Sutton feet and seemed to be coming straight back into the Town box. Added to this was the long throw threat, but we were warned in PW's pre-match comments that Sutton were dead ball specialists and would be looking to win free kicks to get crosses into the Town box. This paid off in the 74th minute when Sutton scored from a corner with a header that came off the bar and fell to a Sutton player who poked the rebound home for bring the score back to 2-1. 

Town managed to defend stoutly for the next 10 minutes, with once chance falling to Billy Chadwick who attempted to catch Bouzakis off his line but the shot was inches wide. Sutton were still piling forward spurred on by their goal, and Town gave away another corner in the 84th minute which was initially cleared to the edge of the box but the follow up attempt at clearing it by Hyde only led to it being headed back across the edge of the box, where it dropped for Simpson to lash it home on the half volley, giving Sam Johnson no chance of saving it. A few minutes later Town had a great break out which put King wide on the right hand side of the Sutton area, but his cut inside and shot went sailing over the bar and the last real chance of winning the game was gone.

Disappointing as it was to lose a 2 goal lead, we have to measure this against who the opposition were, 4 points clear at the top of the table, who had only let 4 other teams score 2 or more goals in 28 games, and who were the second highest scoring team. Town made this game difficult for Sutton by the high pressing they produced, much the same way as they did against Notts County, and that we were still able to score 2 goals with effectively a 1 man strike force. This Town team should fear no one in this division, and with all of the starting players available they are capable of beating any team. So, while this draw will put a dent in any aspirations of  gaining automatic promotion, it augurs well for the final run in, where teams will not wanting to playing us, with the current form we are in.

Now we have played all of the top 3 teams home and away we should be able to concentrate on beating the teams around us and ensuring we put the lower table opposition to the sword. The play offs are still within the grasp of this squad, and with Hyde getting back to full speed and Summerfield on the horizon we are more than capable of a top 5 finish. 

 

Just for a bit of fun, here's a reminder of how some previous Halifax Town players dealt with Harry Beautyman:

 

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43 minutes ago, oldskir said:

Just for a bit of fun, here's a reminder of how some previous Halifax Town players dealt with Harry Beautyman:

 

Possibly needed similar yesterday, take him out & they had little to hurt us in midfield.

You can only call Pearson & Macca's approach as firm bordering on GBH:D

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As some have said yesterday felt like a loss but in reality we made the league leaders look pretty average. For over an hour we outplayed them with everyone doing their bit but special mention for Senior, Maher and Greeny. At times we picked the wrong option and just needed to be a bit more patient rather than force the pass and had we also looked after the ball better at times maybe we could have seen the game out. But fair play to Sutton their heads did not drop and showed why they are top of the league with their stock in trade long throws and firing the long ball into the area finally paying dividends. Got to build on the positives and with Hyde back in the fold and Summers not too far away the eight day break till the Weymouth game has come at a nice time.

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7 minutes ago, chadders said:

As some have said yesterday felt like a loss but in reality we made the league leaders look pretty average. For over an hour we outplayed them with everyone doing their bit but special mention for Senior, Maher and Greeny. At times we picked the wrong option and just needed to be a bit more patient rather than force the pass and had we also looked after the ball better at times maybe we could have seen the game out. But fair play to Sutton their heads did not drop and showed why they are top of the league with their stock in trade long throws and firing the long ball into the area finally paying dividends. Got to build on the positives and with Hyde back in the fold and Summers not too far away the eight day break till the Weymouth game has come at a nice time.

Do think it was the wrong substitution and wrong to change formation when we were playing well without Sutton causing us any serious problems

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20 minutes ago, eddie said:

Do think it was the wrong substitution and wrong to change formation when we were playing well without Sutton causing us any serious problems

Right substitution if Earing was indicating his hanstring was tight, imo maybe Chadwick could have dropped into the No.10 with Hyde up front by himself.

Saying that we did have 2 or 3 chances to get a 3rd goal after the substitution 

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49 minutes ago, eddie said:

Do think it was the wrong substitution and wrong to change formation when we were playing well without Sutton causing us any serious problems

Certainly a loss a player of Jack's quality going off and Hyde was brought on to keep the forward momentum going and offering something different up front and we had chances to get a third but them getting the first dropped the whole team deeper inviting the ariel onslaught which is a natural instinct and would have happened whatever subs we made imo.

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6 hours ago, Amber SUFC said:

How many times have you watched Sutton this season? True we were poor on the day , most sides have off days, we had one yesterday. Doesn’t make us a bad side. What we have is a belief we can win games and if not ensure  we get something out of them. Halifax were brilliant yesterday and if we don’t win the league I certainly wouldn’t wish to meet you in the playoffs. Good luck with the remaining games.

could you please not come on this forum and give a balanced viewpoint and compliment the Shaymen, this is a local forum for local people to berate our local club Yours in sport Royston Vinny

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9 minutes ago, chadders said:

Certainly a loss a player of Jack's quality going off and Hyde was brought on to keep the forward momentum going and offering something different up front and we had chances to get a third but them getting the first dropped the whole team deeper inviting the ariel onslaught which is a natural instinct and would have happened whatever subs we made imo.

To me it looked like we went 5 at back and lost midfield battle

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6 minutes ago, eddie said:

To me it looked like we went 5 at back and lost midfield battle

We still managed to create chances to win the game. Let's give Sutton credit, they had a go which they would have done anyway and managed to get something from the game. Fair play to them but with a calmer head from King and a little more quality from Chadwick we still would have come away with the points 

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Seems like we played excellently for 70 minutes of the game and paid the price for having a lapse in concentration, and no matter how average we made Sutton look, the fact that they pounced and took their opportunities makes them out as the best team in the league right now. We have to be charitable to our own performances against Aldershot and Solihull where we did a similar job. There are still encouraging signs from the general quality of our play, which was much, much better than the tired and dull performance at Eastleigh. Our play has improved a lot over the course of the season and individual players in this team are getting more confident and assured. The trajectory is upward, and remains so despite the manner of the draw yesterday. I'm still very encouraged by this team and would be very excited to see us cause an upset if we do manage to make the playoffs. 

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6 hours ago, Amber SUFC said:

How many times have you watched Sutton this season? True we were poor on the day , most sides have off days, we had one yesterday. Doesn’t make us a bad side. What we have is a belief we can win games and if not ensure  we get something out of them. Halifax were brilliant yesterday and if we don’t win the league I certainly wouldn’t wish to meet you in the playoffs. Good luck with the remaining games.

Thanks Amber SUFC

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 FC Halifax Town Online have put out some highlights of the Sutton game, mostly filmed from a pitch level angle.
Oh my word, the chances we had! Sutton should have been dead and buried before they threw everything at us and forced the ball in from a couple of corners. 

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