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2 hours ago, TJAshton said:

You’re one of the biggest doubters of Wild and Jeff king etc.

Jeff king for me has been our player of the season followed by summerfield who have both been outstanding. 

Jeff King should be first on the team sheet every game. Massive fan but wish he would cut out daft fouls etc

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Flea - all the years I have watched us that has been the case, odd season excepted,  and I first saw them in '68. We can sink to anyones level without drawing breath. But thats why we believe and supp

Sadly proved wrong. What a performance what a manager!!! Against the odds and they do it!!!

What Hyde also brings is his experience. I loved watching him instructing the younger players what to do, where to go in the last 10 mins. We had a free kick on the edge of Torquay's box with a couple

1 minute ago, woody said:

Jeff King should be first on the team sheet every game. Massive fan but wish he would cut out daft fouls etc

To be fair, the first one he got drawn into it by their lad, the second one he was watching the flight of the ball and just caught the heels of their player. 

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2 minutes ago, Papa Lazarou said:

To be fair, the first one he got drawn into it by their lad, the second one he was watching the flight of the ball and just caught the heels of their player. 

The first one was a stupid trailing leg inviting a penalty...the 2nd was never one in a hundred years! King made up for it big time at the end though!

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Jeff King was involved in four from five goals tonight, love him or hate it, it shows he gets around the pitch, he’s dangerous and he’s involved in the action. You can’t knock it.

If we defended better and we had a decent leader at the back, he wouldn’t be conceding stupid pens. He’s an attacking player and should always be a starter, full stop.

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Ref could have given a free kick for the first one it was 50/50 as to whether it was in or out of the area , second one was just clumsy , King was watching the ball which ended up in row Z he just fell into their player .

It's difficult for refs nowadays as the slightest contact seems to result in a free kick as players are not fouled they have worked out how to con the refs and win a free kick .

Players go down and squeal like a pig when contact is minimal , you see it every week in the Premier League , players going down like they have been shot and when they realise it's play on and nothing given the theatrics stop and they are up and getting back into position .

At our level it's pot luck , the ref gets one look ,  and makes a decision , nobody chirping in his ear saying they are checking his decision .

Thats how it should be , it made it a great game of football and added to the drama coming back twice to win the game , it could have been 3-0 which would have been great but the way it ebbed and flowed it was a really entertaining watch .

Refereeing decisions right or wrong have always been part of the game , it gives fans something to talk about , with VAR that part has been taken away .

Watching Premier league football now is too much stop , start , prior to VAR it was goal,  go mad while  glancing  at lino to make sure flag is down .

Now it's Goal , don't go mad it might be offside by 0.001 cm , infringement in first passage of play or second or third prior to ball hitting back of the net , cue delay , go get a burger while they look at it for 5 minutes.

 

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3 minutes ago, Ash said:

Jeff King is a superb full back and isn’t far away from moving higher up the leagues. His end ball is decent and he gets about the pitch.

I like Jeff King but he isn't a full back. His defensive positioning and awareness at times is horrendous. His best position imo would be a winger in a 442

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Hopefully get Ducky back if the rumours are true into the full back position then King into midfield where he is less likely to give away a penalty. Either way King is a class act when on the field, of course.

He's had quite a journey with clubs reading up and listening etc so it's good that he's found his club now.

I reckon if we did sneak the playoffs then I would actually fancy us this time round tbh.

Onwards and upwards

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, AJS said:

I like Jeff King but he isn't a full back. His defensive positioning and awareness at times is horrendous. His best position imo would be a winger in a 442

Agree....a good full back does not give away 2 penalties like he did tonight.

At wing back his defensive duties are a bit lighter, with cover behind him he's fine. I think right wing or right side in a 433 would best suit him. A very good player with the ball at his feet no doubt.

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2 minutes ago, greygoose said:

Agree....a good full back does not give away 2 penalties like he did tonight.

At wing back his defensive duties are a bit lighter, with cover behind him he's fine. I think right wing or right side in a 433 would best suit him. A very good player with the ball at his feet no doubt.

I do think one slight criticism i would have of Wild is not signing a 'proper' right back to replace Duckworth.

Funny one isn't it. He played a lot on the wing for us the first half of last season in a 4231/433 type formation and was kind of ineffective in all honesty. He and Williams both started to excel in the wingback formation, Before that point, i was all for releasing both but they both just about earned new deals after the formation change. Maybe it's time to give King another go on the wing and sign a specialist right back

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35 minutes ago, AJS said:

I do think one slight criticism i would have of Wild is not signing a 'proper' right back to replace Duckworth.

Funny one isn't it. He played a lot on the wing for us the first half of last season in a 4231/433 type formation and was kind of ineffective in all honesty. He and Williams both started to excel in the wingback formation, Before that point, i was all for releasing both but they both just about earned new deals after the formation change. Maybe it's time to give King another go on the wing and sign a specialist right back

He probably didn't sign a RB because his intention was to play with wing backs and knew who he'd be using.

I think Maher could do a job as a RB in a back 4, wasn't successful as a wing back but theres not as much emphasis to get forward in a back 4.

Will be interesting to see how we set up moving forward, can we utilise Hyde,Campbell and Allen in the same line up?

 

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9 hours ago, AJS said:

I like Jeff King but he isn't a full back. His defensive positioning and awareness at times is horrendous. His best position imo would be a winger in a 442

Like he said in his interview he is still learning in the role. Trent at Liverpool is regarded the best right back in the country by some, but he can't defend either. The role if the fullback has changed and to find a player who can do both well they would not be at our level for sure. 

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53 minutes ago, Papa Lazarou said:

Like he said in his interview he is still learning in the role. Trent at Liverpool is regarded the best right back in the country by some, but he can't defend either. The role if the fullback has changed and to find a player who can do both well they would not be at our level for sure. 

And Jeff has shown this season that, in going forward, he's best coming from deep. I don't think he'd be as effective starting higher up the pitch. 

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Jeff King has transformed since being made into a wingback. His best position by far.

Weve tried him up front, RW and in the middle. He is not as effective in any other position as he doesn’t have the space to run into. He is a formidable opponent and as yesterday proved even with him conceding two penalties we can still win so I don’t see an issue.

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10 hours ago, Grayski said:

Hopefully get Ducky back if the rumours are true into the full back position then King into midfield where he is less likely to give away a penalty. Either way King is a class act when on the field, of course.

He's had quite a journey with clubs reading up and listening etc so it's good that he's found his club now.

I reckon if we did sneak the playoffs then I would actually fancy us this time round tbh.

Onwards and upwards

 

 

 

What rumours?

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It's reasonable to doubt us this season, but I don't think we're far off being promotion candidates and our injury list has taken its toll. On the days when we don't turn up it's not like we're whipping boys. We're always in with a chance. As PapaLazarou pointed out in the match thread, the way we overcame Torquay's dominant periods and then had a plan of how to threaten them on the counter was highly encouraging. 

I hope this win does our confidence what it should, because there'll be a few more occasions where we're under the cosh like that. If we know we can defend like that and still score 3 goals and win against the likely champions, we have more reason to believe than to doubt. 

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3 hours ago, Papa Lazarou said:

Like he said in his interview he is still learning in the role. Trent at Liverpool is regarded the best right back in the country by some, but he can't defend either. The role if the fullback has changed and to find a player who can do both well they would not be at our level for sure. 

Totally agree. Not his fault by any means he’s effectively playing out of position. I do think he’s very defensively naive and it’s the area of his game he needs to work on if he wants to kick on. I still stand by what I said back in pre season as to why we haven’t signed a proper RB. Tear was a pointless signing in reality. We’ve barely played the poor lad 

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16 hours ago, Papa Lazarou said:

Sadly proved wrong. What a performance what a manager!!! Against the odds and they do it!!!

hear what you are saying and it was a great performance and result against all the odds, doesn't disguise the ineptitude vs Barnet, PW is doing a very good job overall

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2 hours ago, Hoddie said:

There have been times this season when we have been justified in doubting the manager. One great result does not forgive all the crap performances we've witnessed.

If he can get this team to perform at that level week in week out then he will have cracked it for me. The aberrations such as Barnet and the way we failed in any of the Cup competitions is the big blot on the managers report so far.

If we back this up with a defeat of hartlepool then we should be back on the right track.

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You do wonder sometimes if Wild is his own biggest doubter . Often talking up the opposition when the League table would suggest otherwise and setting up negatively when positivity is needed . As fans we've seen on many occasions just how difficult 'park the bus' and ' smash and grab' teams are to break down

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On 2/20/2021 at 11:09 PM, greygoose said:

Agree....a good full back does not give away 2 penalties like he did tonight.

At wing back his defensive duties are a bit lighter, with cover behind him he's fine. I think right wing or right side in a 433 would best suit him. A very good player with the ball at his feet no doubt.

He came as a winger - or used as one - but it was evident to me, if not others, that he wasn't quick enough.

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