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I disagree. For the government to have lost control it implies they had it under control at some point. This shambles don’t know their arse from their elbow and have been intentionally obtuse with the

The irony being that the UK reacted to this strain in the manner that China should have with the original! Had they not lied at the start we may actually still be living normal lives.

Looks like we are going into another lockdown as of midnight.  It's all Bollox though and a soft lockdown in my opinion where only pubs, beauty salons and a few specialist shops are shut with eve

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All these new restrictions affect me indirectly because it means my brother-in-law can no longer get home from London in time to be with his kids at Christmas, which means they will likely be with us over the holidays (their mother has gone to Spain for a family emergency).

I've been up half the night trying to work out how he can get home. It's not that we don't like his kids, it's just that they should be in their own home with their own parents for Christmas, and with one parent already absent it's going to be difficult enough for them. Seems the only legal way to get from London to Brussels right now is via Ireland, which means a flight or car (via ferry) to Belfast, then a trip to Dublin and a flight from there. But at midnight the rules are expected to change again, and it's possible they'll open up emergency travel through Dover and Folkestone (and maybe by air). Or they may close the continent off to Ireland to prevent the back door trips I outlined above. The meeting of EU heads of government to decide what action to take has now been going on for five straight hours.

According to everything I've read this morning, the new strain seems to have originated in England with a cancer patient (or at least someone who was immuno-compromised). They haven't yet identified said individual but that's their best guess at the moment. The way they treat such patients for Covid-19 is to flush them through with blood that contains Covid-19 antibodies. This is risky because it's a binary result - either the antibodies in the blood will help deal with the infection, or the infection will evolve by learning how to deal with the antibodies. It seems in this case the the virus evolved in such a way that just also happened to make it more virulent.

I personally think the UK government has simply lost control.

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29 minutes ago, Flea said:

I disagree. For the government to have lost control it implies they had it under control at some point. This shambles don’t know their arse from their elbow and have been intentionally obtuse with their guidance since day one.

I am not saying you are wrong, but has our government handled it worse than others? A lot of other countries are going back into full lockdown so whilst its easy to take an insular look at it from a UK point of view, have we handled it massively worse than others?

Its a genuine question because I do have sympathy for any government in having to handle this situation.

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8 minutes ago, Bubba said:

I am not saying you are wrong, but has our government handled it worse than others? A lot of other countries are going back into full lockdown so whilst its easy to take an insular look at it from a UK point of view, have we handled it massively worse than others?

Its a genuine question because I do have sympathy for any government in having to handle this situation.

If Hoddies suggestion is correct & this was caused by trying to deal with a cancer victims issues how can it realistically be laid at the governments door. As you point out this little **** has got the world beat not just the UK, to an extent we are reaping what we have sown, the dinosaurs  were innocent, we aren't  & we continue to run towards the precipice in our arrogance.

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21 minutes ago, Bubba said:

I am not saying you are wrong, but has our government handled it worse than others? A lot of other countries are going back into full lockdown so whilst its easy to take an insular look at it from a UK point of view, have we handled it massively worse than others?

Its a genuine question because I do have sympathy for any government in having to handle this situation.

I don’t think our government have reacted to events well at all. I do think a Corbyn led one would have done worse - and would probably have bankrupted the country in the process, but the current system is just shambolic.

It is a tad unfair to lay this 100% on the governments door as they were pretty much handed a live grenade, however for me there is often very little clarity in what they say, they fail to then stick to their own rules and we know that nothing will get enforced at all. Overall it is a shambles. 

I know Brazil and the US have been criticised for poor communication over Covid but I can’t comment on how European leaders are comparing. I have no idea if the advice given in Europe is as muddled and obtuse, with people just ignoring it, like over here.

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1 minute ago, Flea said:

I don’t think our government have reacted to events well at all. I do think a Corbyn led one would have done worse - and would probably have bankrupted the country in the process, but the current system is just shambolic.

It is a tad unfair to lay this 100% on the governments door as they were pretty much handed a live grenade, however for me there is often very little clarity in what they say, they fail to then stick to their own rules and we know that nothing will get enforced at all. Overall it is a shambles. 

I know Brazil and the US have been criticised by poor communication over Covid but I can’t comment on how European leaders are comparing. I have no idea if the advice given in Europe is as muddled and obtuse, with people just ignoring it, like over here.

Germany were supposed to be the shining example with precise Germanic control, where are they now.......in a full lock down trying to cope like the rest, how can anyone plan round it with any certainty when events related to the infection change daily. This latest mutation proves the point.

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39 minutes ago, Flea said:

It is a tad unfair to lay this 100% on the governments door as they were pretty much handed a live grenade, however for me there is often very little clarity in what they say, they fail to then stick to their own rules and we know that nothing will get enforced at all. Overall it is a shambles. 

Agreed. Not sure if thats part of the pressure of trying to appease a restless population.

But one of the biggest, most ridiculous things was Eat Out To Help Out. 4 months ago they were subsidising people to get out and eat and now here we are almost back in full lockdown as a country.

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Viruses mutate all the time. Bullshit Bertie released the info re the latest mutation to encourage the UK public to stay at home. He didn’t consider the consequences of our European friends closing their borders and the food shortage implications. I suspect our friends across the Channel will have seen the same mutation but are less transparent than our useless politicians. Boris out. A total clown. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoddie said:

The government have handled this appallingly. Live grenade or not, the suggestion that BoJo and his cabinet have had any Scooby Doo how to handle this would be hysterical if it wasn't so serious.

I dont disagree. But I would be interested to know how the way they have handled it/performed compares to other countries.

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5 minutes ago, Richmond96 said:

Viruses mutate all the time. Bullshit Bertie released the info re the latest mutation to encourage the UK public to stay at home. He didn’t consider the consequences of our European friends closing their borders and the food shortage implications. I suspect our friends across the Channel will have seen the same mutation but are less transparent than our useless politicians. Boris out. A total clown. 

Just read a scientist report claiming this mutation was prominent in the US in July, Australia the same in France in Sept.

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8 minutes ago, Bubba said:

I dont disagree. But I would be interested to know how the way they have handled it/performed compares to other countries.

I dont think european governments have handled it any better than ours, however public compliance with the regs has i think been higher on the continent, i was in Spain in September and literally everyone was wearing a mask, indoors,outdoors everywhere!

Mind you, you do see a lot more police, and the have guns!

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2 minutes ago, Roy Race said:

Don't see it as a defence more a reality of an virillent & unseen enemy

You can be unprepared for something but competent in your approach to dealing with it. Our government have failed miserably in this regard.

The British government spends all their time setting arbitrary targets, spending copious amounts of our money to try and meet them, only to change policy once they do. All the while being more interested in their own image and chances of retaining power than they are the public good.

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5 minutes ago, Roy Race said:

Still puzzling me it's in the Netherlands & Italy but apparently not in France. Seems to me we are in BSE & foot & mouth territory with our gallic friends.

Not every country is testing for mutations. Apparently this is something the UK specialises in. Now it has been identified and they know what to look for, cases will start appearing all over the place.

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15 years ago I did pandemic planning for my company .. following SARS out break in canada the message was simple 

flu Covid SARS type virus’s 

first wave low infection rate 10-20 of pop .. but high mortality rate upto 1 percent of those infected 

then 9 to 18 months later a mutated version comes back around .. this time high infection rates but very low mortality rates 

so this is no big surprise .. 

I think we are seeing it first in the UK only because we have the ability to find it .. thinks it’s elsewhere just not yet but identified

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bubba said:

Agreed. Not sure if thats part of the pressure of trying to appease a restless population.

But one of the biggest, most ridiculous things was Eat Out To Help Out. 4 months ago they were subsidising people to get out and eat and now here we are almost back in full lockdown as a country.

But it didn’t really lead to an increase ..

look at the club 18 players have had Covid .. and we are still playing .. when I was a kid people used to have measles parties to make sure the children had it 

perhaps we should not  worry about a bunch of 20 to 30 year old getting it .. we should worry about those over 70 getting it 

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