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Dont worry, Ive worked out what you are like. We are repeatedly told by people like yourself how divided we are as a country. But this division is stoked and encouraged by people like yourself. A

I've copied this, author unknown, but I agree with every word:- According to the BBC today, I'm complicit in hate and racist crimes because I'm White and I won't join in with the meaningless piec

And when we cut through all the ****, this is the main problem. We should be offended that in 2020 people are not being treated equal. We should be looking at how we resolve this, how we stop the

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1 hour ago, Flea said:

I kind of feel like the UK protestors/rioters have gone pretty much full Extinction rebellion on us here. 

I would assume that most people were supportive of the BLM movement, certainly at the very least indifferent to it to the degree that they would not insult or mock those protesting and could "get" why they were doing it. However, destroying and going after historical figures and the holy than thou attitude seems to be losing them more support than gaining it. Just like how most people would have said Extinction rebellion, if a bit nutty, had a legitimate concern/point on climate change - however the way they went about protesting just pissed everyone off and it became a case of them trying to inconvenience as many people as possible. 

It is my belief that we do have an equality problem, not just in the UK but world wide. I think for the majority it may be subconscious rather than deliberate and intended discrimination, where deep down they don't view themselves to be doing anything wrong - and most likely don't intend to be unequal. Sadly there are *some* (And that is the key word) that do hold genuine hate and want to hurt those they deem to be different. What we should be doing is uniting as one to re-educate mindsets and challenge those that think that due to skin colour and the likes they are better. 

Certainly in the past peaceful protests have not been successful in the sense that we still seem to be having these problems. However, rioting, looting and destroying things is not the answer or going to help either. At the moment we have a police service stretched to its limits, we are trying to contain a pandemic with a clown government in charge and we are seeing people potentially put lives at risk here. Its not the right thing to do. We are seeing innocent people being targeted here and its the old adage of "Two wrongs don't make a right". 

Justify it however you want, however a man had his neck knelt on for 8 mins as his life was taken from him. Ignore the colour of the mans skin, that is simply not acceptable. We need to challenge how that can be allowed to happen and why it happened - but attacking random police officers (in both the US and UK) who had nothing to do with this incident, drawing on war memorials, and looting/burning buildings is not going to get justice. 

My fear is the longer this current status quo keeps going, the more people are going to stop supporting BLM as its going full Extinction rebellion. Its losing its purpose and seems its more about revenge and point scoring than trying to fight for justice and equality. 

There is no getting past that black people have been down trodden and used awfully in past generations. Race relations and slavery are a massive stain on the past 2/300 years. HOWEVER, we should also be clear that we can not change the past. It is not justifying it, however, we should be able to say we have learnt from the wrongs and are now moving towards an equal future. No one alive now should feel guilt for slavery in the past, or inequality in the past as its not from actions that we have personally made. We should all however be working together to say it should not happen again. These current riots and protestors are so far from what is needed at the moment.

The extreme left, especially in the UK, are a massive danger. We have seen it yet again today. Just imagine what kind of mess we would have been in if Magic Grandpa and his sick socialists had got into power. Their race card playing rhetoric and "destroy the opposition and everyone that disagrees with us at all cost" mantra is as equally abhorrent as the far right propaganda and extremism. 

As to Antifa - they have done wonders in the past month when tipped off on individuals on Twitter spouting hatred. My understanding is they are giving it back to some on the extreme left by using their tactics back at them. It appears the extreme left view it as "dirty" when they get busted for their racist bullshit, calls for deaths and promotion of harassment of others.

You are frightened of the wrong people! It's not the far left that are killing people! A little critical thinking might help you out!

Start with who benefits by casting the left as some kind of threat!

And then find out where the information you are fed that makes you think that way comes from!

Then ask yourself who benefits from division within the country, and who showed the seed of that division! Clue: it ain't anyone on the left!

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1 minute ago, chrisbo61 said:

You are frightened of the wrong people! It's not the far left that are killing people! A little critical thinking might help you out!

Start with who benefits by casting the left as some kind of threat!

And then find out where the information you are fed that makes you think that way comes from!

Then ask yourself who benefits from division within the country, and who showed the seed of that division! Clue: it ain't anyone on the left!

I'm not frightened of anyone. 

I view myself to be left leaning. However I find the socialist extreme left to be abhorrent in its tactics and to be just as bad as the extreme right. 

Two people with polar opposite political stances doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Extremists on BOTH sides need dealing with. The far right use race as a weapon. The far left are using the race card as a weapon. Neither side are acceptable or right. 

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I agree with him in that how do we know the policeman’s actions was racially aggravated???

How do we know that the policeman wouldn’t have carried out his disproportionate restraint technique on a white man???

and after reading the above how on Earth does it all result in protest when so many questions remain unanswered.

So the BAME community now infect one another and will be the first to slate the death rates amongst the BAME community in the months ahead when in fact it could be self inflicted.....

Nuts 

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14 minutes ago, Grayski said:

How do we know that the policeman wouldn’t have carried out his disproportionate restraint technique on a white man???

 

Its an odd one. Im sure many people will remember about 3 years ago I was mugged in Peoples Park. The three people that mugged me were all Asian. My mugging went down as a "racially motivated attack", although at no point did I hear anything racist aimed towards me. To me I was a victim of a mugging, not a victim of a race related crime, however the facts will show I was a victim of a race crime. Had it been 3 white lads, even if they were Polish etc... I doubt it would have gone down as a race crime. 

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Its an odd one. Im sure many people will remember about 3 years ago I was mugged in Peoples Park. The three people that mugged me were all Asian. My mugging went down as a "racially motivated attack", although at no point did I hear anything racist aimed towards me. To me I was a victim of a mugging, not a victim of a race related crime, however the facts will show I was a victim of a race crime. Had it been 3 white lads, even if they were Polish etc... I doubt it would have gone down as a race crime. 

I didn't know that. Arseholes. 

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8 hours ago, Flea said:

I'm not frightened of anyone. 

I view myself to be left leaning. However I find the socialist extreme left to be abhorrent in its tactics and to be just as bad as the extreme right. 

Two people with polar opposite political stances doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Extremists on BOTH sides need dealing with. The far right use race as a weapon. The far left are using the race card as a weapon. Neither side are acceptable or right. 

I think you will find the left are in fact the ones with the correct way of thinking! They are against racism and inequality! The right are not! It truly is that simple, one is either a racist, or not!

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45 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

I think you will find the left are in fact the ones with the correct way of thinking! They are against racism and inequality! The right are not! It truly is that simple, one is either a racist, or not!

You can be right wing and NOT racist!

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10 hours ago, chrisbo61 said:

I think you will find the left are in fact the ones with the correct way of thinking! They are against racism and inequality! The right are not! It truly is that simple, one is either a racist, or not!

Erm, not quite. I don't know if you remember but there were a few racists in the Labour party over recent times. Both MP's and especially party members. 

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All these BLM protests are a disgrace and they’re never going to change anything doing what they’ve done this past few days. Vile, mindless scumbags is what they’re. 

Yesterday and Saturday showed how weak our police are as well. Look at Germany, Italy and France for example all use correct force and equipment to get rid of mindless thugs. A water cannon or rubber bullets would have been great for the idiots the past few days after throwing bottles, bricks and fireworks at our police who only a few week ago were classed as heroes :doh:

The policeman who killed George Floyd is being branded a racist but yet his wife is Asian? So I think it’s a classic case of the race card coming out YET AGAIN and the media bigging it up. 

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5 minutes ago, TJAshton said:

All these BLM protests are a disgrace and they’re never going to change anything doing what they’ve done this past few days. Vile, mindless scumbags is what they’re. 

Yesterday and Saturday showed how weak our police are as well. Look at Germany, Italy and France for example all use correct force and equipment to get rid of mindless thugs. A water cannon or rubber bullets would have been great for the idiots the past few days after throwing bottles, bricks and fireworks at our police who only a few week ago were classed as heroes :doh:

The policeman who killed George Floyd is being branded a racist but yet his wife is Asian? So I think it’s a classic case of the race card coming out YET AGAIN and the media bigging it up. 

I must admit it was odd seeing the police running away from the rioters although I don't blame them given that they weren't fully 'tooled up' to deal with them. I think they were trying the softly softly approach but it didn't work. The riot squad then took over.

I suspect the problem with it all is that both sides to the argument are not open regarding their own faults. The police have had a long term problem regarding their racism and maybe now in the modern age are gradually resolving these. Meanwhile the perception is that the culture of gangs and drugs seems to blight the Afro-Caribbean community although my knowledge of this is almost non existent.

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27 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

Erm, not quite. I don't know if you remember but there were a few racists in the Labour party over recent times. Both MP's and especially party members. 

Really? Name one.

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18 minutes ago, TJAshton said:

All these BLM protests are a disgrace and they’re never going to change anything doing what they’ve done this past few days. Vile, mindless scumbags is what they’re. 

Yesterday and Saturday showed how weak our police are as well. Look at Germany, Italy and France for example all use correct force and equipment to get rid of mindless thugs. A water cannon or rubber bullets would have been great for the idiots the past few days after throwing bottles, bricks and fireworks at our police who only a few week ago were classed as heroes :doh:

The policeman who killed George Floyd is being branded a racist but yet his wife is Asian? So I think it’s a classic case of the race card coming out YET AGAIN and the media bigging it up. 

Yeh, because anyone with a grievance should just shut up eh!

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Yeh, because anyone with a grievance should just shut up eh!

Ah let’s destroy everything in our sights. Let’s lob bottles, Bricks, stones and fireworks at police with no defence or armour at all and potentially kill a policeman or woman. 

Imagine what would happen if a black man killed a white policeman or woman eh. NOTHING!!!!!

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4 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Really? Name one.

An independant report into anti semitism within the Labour Party found that despite not being over run with anti semites, there was, on occasion a "toxic" atmosphere within the party. 

It was the information and recommendations from this report that Jeremy Corbyn agreed to act on. 

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4 minutes ago, TJAshton said:

Ah let’s destroy everything in our sights. Let’s lob bottles, Bricks, stones and fireworks at police with no defence or armour at all and potentially kill a policeman or woman. 

Imagine what would happen if a black man killed a white policeman or woman eh. NOTHING!!!!!

Pack it in, your making yourself look silly.

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Just now, Erik Everhard said:

An independant report into anti semitism within the Labour Party found that despite not being over run with anti semites, there was, on occasion a "toxic" atmosphere within the party. 

It was the information and recommendations from this report that Jeremy Corbyn agreed to act on. 

Oh really? And after the election what became of all that? Ooh nothing!

Stop believing everything you read in the daily mail.

Cue ' I dont read the mail'

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5 minutes ago, TJAshton said:

Ah let’s destroy everything in our sights. Let’s lob bottles, Bricks, stones and fireworks at police with no defence or armour at all and potentially kill a policeman or woman. 

Imagine what would happen if a black man killed a white policeman or woman eh. NOTHING!!!!!

The people involved in the protests are anarchists. 

Anarchists some in different forms and ha e different ideals but the kne key issue that unites them all is a need to delete/destroy society as we know it. Some want a better future but some don't want a future at all. 

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3 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Pack it in, your making yourself look silly.

Explain how? 

Everytime I see you debate on either politics or something like this everybody else is wrong apart from you. Then you start insulting people. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Oh really? And after the election what became of all that? Ooh nothing!

Stop believing everything you read in the daily mail.

Cue ' I dont read the mail'

Google anti semitism in thr Labour Party. After the first couple of historic references via wiki etc theres an article about tbe independant inquiry that Jeremy Corbyn asked for and agreed to act on. 

Absolutely nothing to do with the Daill Mail. I don't buy the Daily Mail, never voted Tory, only ever voted Labour. 

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Just now, TJAshton said:

Explain how? 

Everytime I see you debate on either politics or something like this everybody else is wrong apart from you. Then you start insulting people. 
 

 

Do some research my freind, didnt you do history at school? Try looking up the british empire and its treatment of slaves in the west indies! Step out of your little white bubble, expand your mind.

And I think that when discussing with some of the clearly educationally challenged idiots on here ,I am right!

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2 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

Google anti semitism in thr Labour Party. After the first couple of historic references via wiki etc theres an article about tbe independant inquiry that Jeremy Corbyn asked for and agreed to act on. 

Absolutely nothing to do with the Daill Mail. I don't buy the Daily Mail, never voted Tory, only ever voted Labour. 

Look this is simple! The issue here is that the Israeli government has very strong ties to the tories in this country, most sane people are anti Zionist, however the Israeli propaganda machine is very powerful and has managed to conflate anti Zionism with anti semitism! Ffs I shouldn't have to be telling you this!

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7 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Oh really? And after the election what became of all that? Ooh nothing!

Stop believing everything you read in the daily mail.

Cue ' I dont read the mail'

BBC news website actually. 

It's all there online for your disposal. Several different articles from the BBC News online from different years, 2016, 2019 etc. 

The 2016 refers to when 7 Labour MP's stood down from the party in their disgust at what was going on. Mike Gapes was one of them. 

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1 minute ago, chrisbo61 said:

Look this is simple! The issue here is that the Israeli government has very strong ties to the tories in this country, most sane people are anti Zionist, however the Israeli propaganda machine is very powerful and has managed to conflate anti Zionism with anti semitism! Ffs I shouldn't have to be telling you this!

But some people within the Labour party have assiciated ALL Jewish peolle with thkse views. 

That's racism and that's what I'm trying to talk to you about. Stop trying to defend anti semites.

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