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I saw the footage of George Floyd being murdered by the Americsn police officer and it made me feel sick. I had to look away. 

I supprt equality and I'm against racism. 

I feel that the UK is a MUCH more tolerant society than America and BAME people have integrated into our society well, but it's not perfect. But better thsn the US. 

What I don't get is why was the murder of George Floyd racially motivated? Did the murderer ie the police officer use ANY racial slur or racially offensive language or term at any point during the murder? Not to my knowledge. The murder could have been racially motivated but until there is evidence to support this would should keep an open mind. 

I feel for any black American that has suffered racism. 

What I've seen during the riots in America has sickened me. Whether it be riot police being heavy handed or gangs of black people battering defensless Jewish women and ransacking their business or anpther group of black people battering a white woman in a wheelchair who had nowhere to go because she was trapped in a doorway and then one "man" sprayed a full foam fire extinguisher over her. 

We saw some rioting here in the UK yesterday. On the anniversary of D Day. Sickening. 

Young, mostlg white but some black people attacking the police and defacing Winston Churchill's statue. 

My thougts are with the families of several black Amerucans who tried tk stop the rioters from attacking shop keepers and stealing their goods. At the last count I think it was 5 people that lost their lives trying to help others. The are heroes and deserve to be remembered for many years. Unlike poor George Floyd who once held a pregnant woman at gunpoint while his accomplices stole her money and other items. George was a career criminal but he didn't deserve to die. 

I saw today that groups of football casuals have surrounded war memorials in both Durham and Glasgow to prevent fad left facists from defacing them. 

I wonder where this will all end?

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15 minutes ago, Norm said:

I have seen stuff on Twitter today with groups of lads protecting Churchill's statue,  Churchill FFS ! 

 

His statue was defaced in London by some pathetic excuse for a human being who excused her actions by saying that Winston Churchill was a war mongerer. 

Some young student rebelling against her parents and society and zzzzzzzzzzzz. 

Slavery has now been used as an excuse for murder and mass arson, criminal damage and robbery. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

His statue was defaced in London by some pathetic excuse for a human being who excused her actions by saying that Winston Churchill was a war mongerer. 

Some young student rebelling against her parents and society and zzzzzzzzzzzz. 

Slavery has now been used as an excuse for murder and mass arson, criminal damage and robbery. 

 

Churchill wasn’t a saint though was he? And no I’m not a student.

Churchill was the strong leader we needed during wartime, but other than that he did some very unpleasant things.

Sending the army in against defenceless striking Welsh miners doesn’t make him a British hero in my book, but each to their own.

I’m guessing it was the Football Lads Alliance defending the statue,  or the EDL in old money. Thick as pigsh!t the lot of them. 
 
Not that I’m condoning defacing the statue, it’s not something that I would do, but I don’t think it’s worth foaming at the mouth for either.

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It does appear to me that the blm protest (certainly in the UK) has been hijacked by the usual socialist worker mob who spend their lives being offended.

I really hope it calms down soon, Twitter is a swamp at the best of times but it's horrible at the moment, it won't be long before enochwasright is trending ! 

I accept that the majority of us on here are not able to really speak with any authority about how it feels to suffer racial discrimination, but it doesn't seem to me that defacing statues ( generally speaking) is the way to go about converting the general public to your cause.

Having said all that how any police officer could think that a suitable use of force was to kneel on someone's neck is beyond me. If he'd done wrong put the cuffs on him lock him up and charge the ****er, don't kneel on the poor **** for 9 minutes! 

 

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2 minutes ago, Stasi Pants said:

Churchill wasn’t a saint though was he? And no I’m not a student.

Churchill was the strong leader we needed during wartime, but other than that he did some very unpleasant things.

Sending the army in against defenceless striking Welsh miners doesn’t make him a British hero in my book, but each to their own.

I’m guessing it was the Football Lads Alliance defending the statue,  or the EDL in old money. Thick as pigsh!t the lot of them. 
 
Not that I’m condoning defacing the statue, it’s not something that I would do, but I don’t think it’s worth foaming at the mouth for either.

It was certainly " thickset" white lads with short hair so you might be right.

I saw a video last night of them protecting the cenotaph, let's just say words were exchanged and the blm crew backed off! 

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7 minutes ago, Stasi Pants said:

Churchill wasn’t a saint though was he? And no I’m not a student.

Churchill was the strong leader we needed during wartime, but other than that he did some very unpleasant things.

Sending the army in against defenceless striking Welsh miners doesn’t make him a British hero in my book, but each to their own.

I’m guessing it was the Football Lads Alliance defending the statue,  or the EDL in old money. Thick as pigsh!t the lot of them. 
 
Not that I’m condoning defacing the statue, it’s not something that I would do, but I don’t think it’s worth foaming at the mouth for either.

He did do some very questionable things whilst he served as PM. I thought you might have brought up home rule in Northern Ireland. 

So no, he wasn't a saint but as you mentioned he was a "one off" leader during the second world war. A war in which our country helped to defeat REAL fascism, and a war that if lost, could and probably would seen the elimination of ALL black, disabled, gay, gypsy, Jewish people and anyone that stood in their way. 

I'm not "foaming at the mouth" at this pathetic excuse for a human beings actions. She is a brainwashed fool and an embarrassment to society. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

He did do some very questionable things whilst he served as PM. I thought you might have brought up home rule in Northern Ireland. 

So no, he wasn't a saint but as you mentioned he was a "one off" leader during the second world war. A war in which our country helped to defeat REAL fascism, and a war that if lost, could and probably would seen the elimination of ALL black, disabled, gay, gypsy, Jewish people and anyone that stood in their way. 

I'm not "foaming at the mouth" at this pathetic excuse for a human beings actions. She is a brainwashed fool and an embarrassment to society. 

 

Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear, not suggesting you were foaming at the mouth, it was aimed at the statue protectors, apologies.
 

I would certainly see myself as anti-fascist and very anti British establishment in my way of thinking, but you are correct, some of the numpties who attach themselves to the ‘Antifa’ movement are an embarrassment.

Always have conviction in your beliefs but never to the detriment of keeping your mind a little bit open. 

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15 minutes ago, Stasi Pants said:

Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear, not suggesting you were foaming at the mouth, it was aimed at the statue protectors, apologies.
 

I would certainly see myself as anti-fascist and very anti British establishment in my way of thinking, but you are correct, some of the numpties who attach themselves to the ‘Antifa’ movement are an embarrassment.

Always have conviction in your beliefs but never to the detriment of keeping your mind a little bit open. 

Apology accepted. 

I totally agree that there is a significant number of people with a nasty agenda, who are themselves racist, who ironically attach themselves to anti racist groups. 

I'm against far right groups. I take people as I find them and I'll help or protect anyone that I see being bullied because of the colour of their skin. 

I normally post music on facebook every day but on "black out Tuesday" I didn't. I posted a track on here by force of habit but I agreed with a peaceful online protest for black lives matter. At the same time I have African American facebok friends who I've discussed the matter with and my oen opinion is that we have a more equal and tolerant society here in the UK than over in the States. I also said that it's 2020 and by now we should have all learned to move on and live together. When I speak to Robert and his friends I'm talking to human beings. I don't treat them any different than anyone else I speak to. 

I feel strongly about protestors vandalising cenotaphs and memorials. I have numerous family members that served in both wars and who nearly died defending our country, and especially from the worst fascists the world has ever seen. 

I feel that strongly that I would consider defending the memorial in Leeds city centre, from these scumbags. 

The only problem is, as yiu eluded to above is that there will be far right activists there and by attending and trying to protect the memorial I too could be labelled the same. 

This is the crux of it all. It's fsr left fascists stirring up trouble when they know full well they'll get a reaction. Meanwhile the far right will be rubbing their hands and more importantly, race relations will go backwards as people become divided. Which is the exact opposite of what ANTIFI is supoosed to be about.

 

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9 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

Apology accepted. 

I totally agree that there is a significant number of people with a nasty agenda, who are themselves racist, who ironically attach themselves to anti racist groups. 

I'm against far right groups. I take people as I find them and I'll help or protect anyone that I see being bullied because of the colour of their skin. 

I normally post music on facebook every day but on "black out Tuesday" I didn't. I posted a track on here by force of habit but I agreed with a peaceful online protest for black lives matter. At the same time I have African American facebok friends who I've discussed the matter with and my oen opinion is that we have a more equal and tolerant society here in the UK than over in the States. I also said that it's 2020 and by now we should have all learned to move on and live together. When I speak to Robert and his friends I'm talking to human beings. I don't treat them any different than anyone else I speak to. 

I feel strongly about protestors vandalising cenotaphs and memorials. I have numerous family members that served in both wars and who nearly died defending our country, and especially from the worst fascists the world has ever seen. 

I feel that strongly that I would consider defending the memorial in Leeds city centre, from these scumbags. 

The only problem is, as yiu eluded to above is that there will be far right activists there and by attending and trying to protect the memorial I too could be labelled the same. 

This is the crux of it all. It's fsr left fascists stirring up trouble when they know full well they'll get a reaction. Meanwhile the far right will be rubbing their hands and more importantly, race relations will go backwards as people become divided. Which is the exact opposite of what ANTIFI is supoosed to be about.

 

Sorry erik, there is no such thing as a far left fascist! Call them what you like but they are not fascists!

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9 minutes ago, Norm said:

That quote reads like a lot of the rent a mob that have taken over the protests, even you can see that mate.

Oh, I didnt know that right wing groups had taken over the protests! I thought it was generally the left that fought against inequality!

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4 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Oh, I didnt know that right wing groups had taken over the protests! I thought it was generally the left that fought against inequality!

Now the mindless thugs have defaced Winston Churchill memorial. The man who the helped to defeat the biggest racist the world has ever seen. 

Perhaps they would have preferred Hitler winning the war? 

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9 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Oh, I didnt know that right wing groups had taken over the protests! I thought it was generally the left that fought against inequality!

Very good  even by your truth twisting standards.

 

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11 minutes ago, ashy1966 said:

Now the mindless thugs have defaced Winston Churchill memorial. The man who the helped to defeat the biggest racist the world has ever seen. 

Perhaps they would have preferred Hitler winning the war? 

Churchill was a racist ****!

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38 minutes ago, chrisbo61 said:

Oh, I didnt know that right wing groups had taken over the protests! I thought it was generally the left that fought against inequality!

No it's mostly ANTIFA fascists trying to stir up trouble. 

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No it's mostly ANTIFA fascists trying to stir up trouble. 

**** me! What's so dificult? ANTIFA= ANTI FASCIST! 

They may be many things, but they are NOT fascists!

Get a dictionary!

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7 hours ago, chrisbo61 said:

**** me! What's so dificult? ANTIFA= ANTI FASCIST! 

They may be many things, but they are NOT fascists!

Get a dictionary!

But they aren't anti fascist are they? They aren't even anti racist. They are anti white on asian racism or anti white on black racism but you'll never find them protesting when thousands of white children are raped and in some cases murdered by racist British Pakinstani paedophile's. 

 

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I kind of feel like the UK protestors/rioters have gone pretty much full Extinction rebellion on us here. 

I would assume that most people were supportive of the BLM movement, certainly at the very least indifferent to it to the degree that they would not insult or mock those protesting and could "get" why they were doing it. However, destroying and going after historical figures and the holy than thou attitude seems to be losing them more support than gaining it. Just like how most people would have said Extinction rebellion, if a bit nutty, had a legitimate concern/point on climate change - however the way they went about protesting just pissed everyone off and it became a case of them trying to inconvenience as many people as possible. 

It is my belief that we do have an equality problem, not just in the UK but world wide. I think for the majority it may be subconscious rather than deliberate and intended discrimination, where deep down they don't view themselves to be doing anything wrong - and most likely don't intend to be unequal. Sadly there are *some* (And that is the key word) that do hold genuine hate and want to hurt those they deem to be different. What we should be doing is uniting as one to re-educate mindsets and challenge those that think that due to skin colour and the likes they are better. 

Certainly in the past peaceful protests have not been successful in the sense that we still seem to be having these problems. However, rioting, looting and destroying things is not the answer or going to help either. At the moment we have a police service stretched to its limits, we are trying to contain a pandemic with a clown government in charge and we are seeing people potentially put lives at risk here. Its not the right thing to do. We are seeing innocent people being targeted here and its the old adage of "Two wrongs don't make a right". 

Justify it however you want, however a man had his neck knelt on for 8 mins as his life was taken from him. Ignore the colour of the mans skin, that is simply not acceptable. We need to challenge how that can be allowed to happen and why it happened - but attacking random police officers (in both the US and UK) who had nothing to do with this incident, drawing on war memorials, and looting/burning buildings is not going to get justice. 

My fear is the longer this current status quo keeps going, the more people are going to stop supporting BLM as its going full Extinction rebellion. Its losing its purpose and seems its more about revenge and point scoring than trying to fight for justice and equality. 

There is no getting past that black people have been down trodden and used awfully in past generations. Race relations and slavery are a massive stain on the past 2/300 years. HOWEVER, we should also be clear that we can not change the past. It is not justifying it, however, we should be able to say we have learnt from the wrongs and are now moving towards an equal future. No one alive now should feel guilt for slavery in the past, or inequality in the past as its not from actions that we have personally made. We should all however be working together to say it should not happen again. These current riots and protestors are so far from what is needed at the moment.

The extreme left, especially in the UK, are a massive danger. We have seen it yet again today. Just imagine what kind of mess we would have been in if Magic Grandpa and his sick socialists had got into power. Their race card playing rhetoric and "destroy the opposition and everyone that disagrees with us at all cost" mantra is as equally abhorrent as the far right propaganda and extremism. 

As to Antifa - they have done wonders in the past month when tipped off on individuals on Twitter spouting hatred. My understanding is they are giving it back to some on the extreme left by using their tactics back at them. It appears the extreme left view it as "dirty" when they get busted for their racist bullshit, calls for deaths and promotion of harassment of others.

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