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Have read that thread ..well some of it 

I invite you to vote the same as me 

#noneoftheabove 

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12 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

Not how many blunders Diane Abbot managed (the answer was two.)

I see this basic spelling mistake pretty much whenever I see someone gloating about basic counting mistakes, but it's Diane Abbott:)

There must be summat about her that makes her an easy target to others. Most of us cock up a number here and there. What's the difference between promising to build 40 hospitals, and promising to build six again?

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2 hours ago, Hoddie said:

Who knows? She would have negotiated the UK's position differently that's for sure. The Lisbon Treaty was the culmination of over a decade's worth of summits and agreements. Every country won in some areas and lost in others, as you'd expect from a compromise agreement. It made the EU as a whole much more democratic, removing national vetoes in many areas and increasing the power held by elected MEPs.

Thatcher is often presented as anti-European but that's simply not true. Nor was Churchill, though it didn't stop Brexiteers from claiming otherwise.

Hoddie, he means the fake one that's being doing the rounds on Facebook!

No leaver ever heard of the Lisbon treaty till 6 months ago, let alone knew what it was!

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44 minutes ago, Nick said:

Think more Diane Abbott 

the women who is to numbers what Tottenham are to European football 

No I mean Hammond, one of the most number averse chancellors we've ever had! Think HS2

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16 minutes ago, Shaytrev said:

Soon to be relinquished of it.

 

Yeh, good idea that!

Always preferred small fish in big ponds anyway!

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1 hour ago, Pliny Harris said:

I see this basic spelling mistake pretty much whenever I see someone gloating about basic counting mistakes, but it's Diane Abbott:)

There must be summat about her that makes her an easy target to others. Most of us cock up a number here and there. What's the difference between promising to build 40 hospitals, and promising to build six again?

What makes her an easy target is that she's been a member of the shadow cabinet. People do make mistakes but it's blunder after blunder. I watched a little montage of her blunders on Facebook and there were several that I didn't know about. There was the police question live on radio, which I did, but then there was other blunders on radio, a few on telly and then yesterday at the beginning of PMQ's and when she tried to ask a 7tj question. 

In some ways I do admire her determination to boldly carry on but as I've said above her talents lie away from the front bench and definitely away from media work.

If I was Jezza I would be looking round for a new fresh face who can perhaps count to 6 and who can read at least a summary of what they are about to discuss live on air. To go on live radio and not even have figures on a piece of paper or a laptop is at best amateurish and slack. To do it over and over again means she is either unorganised or incredibly arrogant 

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24 minutes ago, hunsworthhound said:

Your right hoddie Churchill wasn't  anti europe he thought the whole european union was a brilliant idea he just never intended the UK to be a member.

Source? I've read his diaries and his speeches and afaik he never said anything like that.

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5 hours ago, chrisbo61 said:

There would have been no referendum under Thatcher!

She didn't need to offer one in order to gain a majority. She had the Falklands to thank for that! 

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I e read a lot of stuff about Churchill and I sure I read it recently in some of the  Brexit  stuff in one of the Daily's  either Mail or telegraph. Yes I voted  leave and after spending first 54 years of my life as a labour  party supporter sometimes party member and union official since 2010 I now vote conservative 

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12 minutes ago, hunsworthhound said:

I e read a lot of stuff about Churchill and I sure I read it recently in some of the  Brexit  stuff in one of the Daily's  either Mail or telegraph. Yes I voted  leave and after spending first 54 years of my life as a labour  party supporter sometimes party member and union official since 2010 I now vote conservative 

Not unusual. Many people start off as Socialists but as they grow and become more experienced with the realities of life they leave the fold.

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16 minutes ago, hunsworthhound said:

I e read a lot of stuff about Churchill and I sure I read it recently in some of the  Brexit  stuff in one of the Daily's  either Mail or telegraph. Yes I voted  leave and after spending first 54 years of my life as a labour  party supporter sometimes party member and union official since 2010 I now vote conservative 

He didn't say it.

1 minute ago, Shaytrev said:

Not unusual. Many people start off as Socialists but as they grow and become more experienced with the realities of life they leave the fold.

It's called pulling the ladder up. Generations who got cheap housing, job for life, free healthcare, state benefits, now voting for the Tories in order to restrict these things from the younger generations. Social housing? Nah, peasants should work harder. Jobs for life? Nah, insecure work is where it's at. Free healthcare? Nah, we'll keep ramping up the prescription charge and make people wait 3 weeks for a GP appointment so they lose interest. State benefits? Now only for 25-year olds and up, restricted to first two kids despite birth rate falling, making people work longer for less state pension. And so it goes on.

You have benefitted from socialist policies your entire life but treat socialism as an alien, dirty concept.

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2 minutes ago, Hoddie said:

He didn't say it.

It's called pulling the ladder up. Generations who got cheap housing, job for life, free healthcare, state benefits, now voting for the Tories in order to restrict these things from the younger generations. Social housing? Nah, peasants should work harder. Jobs for life? Nah, insecure work is where it's at. Free healthcare? Nah, we'll keep ramping up the prescription charge and make people wait 3 weeks for a GP appointment so they lose interest. State benefits? Now only for 25-year olds and up, restricted to first two kids despite birth rate falling, making people work longer for less state pension. And so it goes on.

You have benefitted from socialist policies your entire life but treat socialism as an alien, dirty concept.

Own my own home, never used the NHS more than once before I was 50, paid my full NI contributions so should would be entitled to use it anyway.

I watch some people arrive in Britain after paying nothing, they are given everything. That is Socialism.

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36 minutes ago, Che Bentos said:

She didn't need to offer one in order to gain a majority. She had the Falklands to thank for that! 

Well, it was one of the greatest military victories since WW2, a logistic miracle.

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1 hour ago, Erik Everhard said:

What makes her an easy target is that she's been a member of the shadow cabinet. People do make mistakes but it's blunder after blunder. I watched a little montage of her blunders on Facebook and there were several that I didn't know about. There was the police question live on radio, which I did, but then there was other blunders on radio, a few on telly and then yesterday at the beginning of PMQ's and when she tried to ask a 7tj question. 

In some ways I do admire her determination to boldly carry on but as I've said above her talents lie away from the front bench and definitely away from media work.

If I was Jezza I would be looking round for a new fresh face who can perhaps count to 6 and who can read at least a summary of what they are about to discuss live on air. To go on live radio and not even have figures on a piece of paper or a laptop is at best amateurish and slack. To do it over and over again means she is either unorganised or incredibly arrogant 

She's actually a very smart and intelligent woman and has achieved a lot in her career to date. She is exactly the type of asset that will make Labour the peoples party once the idiot has gone.

The problem is she is easily flustered when put on the spot. Give her time to write something down or think about what she is doing and she is, pound for pound, up there with the best of them. She shouldn't be doing media work as her skills are better suited elsewhere. What Labour need to really do is have a "face" for the party that people like, trust and can have confidence in - which would be more than the Conservatives have. 

Someone like Andy Burnham would be a lot better to be a public spokesperson for the party. 

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41 minutes ago, Flea said:

She's actually a very smart and intelligent woman and has achieved a lot in her career to date. She is exactly the type of asset that will make Labour the peoples party once the idiot has gone.

The problem is she is easily flustered when put on the spot. Give her time to write something down or think about what she is doing and she is, pound for pound, up there with the best of them. She shouldn't be doing media work as her skills are better suited elsewhere. What Labour need to really do is have a "face" for the party that people like, trust and can have confidence in - which would be more than the Conservatives have. 

Someone like Andy Burnham would be a lot better to be a public spokesperson for the party. 

Yep, horses for courses. Andy Burnham has always come across as a genuine person whenever I've seen him on telly. I probably wouldn't choose him as leader although he'd be better than Corbyn.

Jarvis would probably have got my vote. He perhaps hasn't got the education that some of his colleagues have but he's a leader.

Maybe a little bit too New Labour for some.

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6 hours ago, Shaytrev said:

Own my own home, never used the NHS more than once before I was 50, paid my full NI contributions so should would be entitled to use it anyway.

I watch some people arrive in Britain after paying nothing, they are given everything. That is Socialism.

You could maybe add liberalism to that.

My mate was in his local One Stop place a few months back. It's a council hub and library etc. Anyway, an African woman in her 20's who had 3 young children and was pregnant with another came in and didn't ask but demanded a four bedroom house. One of the reception staff, a middle aged white man politely told her that there aren't any four bedroom houses. So she demanded again, this time a little louder. She then asked to speak to someone else. Two different women came over to her, one Asian and then the other of African origin. Both explained that she was asking the impossible and that the council don't have four bedroom properties. The woman would have to find a private 4 bedroom property that fits into the housing benefit. The woman then demanded that they find her somewhere private that fitted into the housing benefit. Both women politely explained that they would help her to log onto a PC and give her a list of landlords but she would have to find a suitable property herself. She wasn't very happy at all and then she left without looking for a suitable property.

My friend said to one of the women on his way out that she had dealt with the situation really well considering how rude she had been.

The woman explained that she had also originally come over from Africa. She had gone to college and worked a few different part time jobs so she could feed and house herself. She was and is so grateful to the opportunity to live and work in the UK and that people like the stupid woman make her ashamed.

There are some that will take the piss and some that are grateful for the chance to call the UK their home. Some will be like you Trev and they'll pay Into the system and very rarely use things like healthcare because they're fit and well. Others will see coming to the UK as a free ride and not only that, something that they feel they're entitled to.

My own thoughts are that we should try and help genuine people. We should allow good and honest people to come and work here and perhaps make the UK there home. But, for people like the young woman who feels that she can carry on growing her young family and that the British taxpayer should foot the bill, I wouldn't allow her to. 

The problem in our society, in my opinion is that there are too many people that would give her what she wants with no questions asked. At the same time there are too many people in our society that wouldn't allow the hardworking council employee into our country in the first place, to even have a chance of not only bettering herself but giving something back for it.

The middle ground is the right place to make decisions of this nature. A balanced decision and view.

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2 hours ago, Shaytrev said:

Own my own home, never used the NHS more than once before I was 50, paid my full NI contributions so should would be entitled to use it anyway.

I watch some people arrive in Britain after paying nothing, they are given everything. That is Socialism.

I listen to you and that is National Socialism. You are as outdated as Corbyn. Stick to advising formations for the under 11s.

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1 minute ago, francisfirth said:

I listen to you and that is National Socialism. You are as outdated as Corbyn. Stick to advising formations for the under 11s.

You stick to your meds.

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3 minutes ago, Shaytrev said:

You stick to your meds.

Stunning retort.  Are you proud or embarrassed about the National Front thing? 

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6 hours ago, Flea said:

She's actually a very smart and intelligent woman and has achieved a lot in her career to date. She is exactly the type of asset that will make Labour the peoples party once the idiot has gone.

The problem is she is easily flustered when put on the spot. Give her time to write something down or think about what she is doing and she is, pound for pound, up there with the best of them. She shouldn't be doing media work as her skills are better suited elsewhere. What Labour need to really do is have a "face" for the party that people like, trust and can have confidence in - which would be more than the Conservatives have. 

Someone like Andy Burnham would be a lot better to be a public spokesperson for the party. 

Is this a joke? 

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