Bubba 1,851 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 At what point does it tip in favour or the opposite though? i.e. if he was playing football for us but could earn more money as a joiner, would it be acceptable to sign him up? Part of me thinks that once you have served your time you should then be able to continue your lift - thats what rehabilitation is all about isnt it? Link to post Share on other sites
(Not) Halifax Town FC 2 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 if cleared of rape - loads of clubs will chase his signature!! I believe he will be a footballer again in the championship..................... Link to post Share on other sites
eddies mate 2,224 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 IF i had a choice of watching him play football or calling him in to knock up a cupboard while i'm at work and the Mrs is at home with the kids,I know which i'd choose. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Vincent 1,153 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 At what point does it tip in favour or the opposite though? i.e. if he was playing football for us but could earn more money as a joiner, would it be acceptable to sign him up? Part of me thinks that once you have served your time you should then be able to continue your lift - thats what rehabilitation is all about isnt it? Indeed but to be able to do that within a high profile professional sport is going to be very difficult if not impossible. And its the crime thats the main issue here, when you consider the sort of treatment a rapist gets within the prison system where muderers and theives are considered to be of a higher moral standing then you kind of see very easily what Evans is up against. Link to post Share on other sites
Jumbo1 246 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Sign him up. Worth it just to sell him on if he were to win the appeal. Most sensible people know this case was very much a grey area thing that could have gone either way. Some of the stuff thrown at the lad has been ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
olitheshayman 2,061 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club, but I would be prepared to forgive him if he was contrite about it and did more to make sure his example is not condoned but condemned. Then at least cases like this would occur far less often, regardless of whether a footballer, joiner or man on the dole is the perpetrator. If he wants to stop being victimised beyond his sentence by the reputation his crime has given him, then he should consider the real victim who he raped. Before he does that he will get no sympathy from me and many others. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Whether or not he raped that lass he's not exactly a good role model. The way he rewarded those who harassed his accuser says plenty, not to mention the fact that he thought 'roasting' a pissed up lass was a good idea when he already had a lass back home. Consensual or not he isn't the sort of person I'd want to see pulling on a Halifax Town shirt. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba 1,851 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 If he wants to stop being victimised beyond his sentence by the reputation his crime has given him, then he should consider the real victim who he raped. Thats part of the issue though - he still remains adamant that he did nothing wrong so why should he show remorse to the victim? In some cases the jury isnt always right when it comes down to one persons version of events against another and only he and 'the victim' know what happened even though they were both absolutely hammered. Link to post Share on other sites
never_shay_die 1,148 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 At what point does it tip in favour or the opposite though? i.e. if he was playing football for us but could earn more money as a joiner, would it be acceptable to sign him up? Part of me thinks that once you have served your time you should then be able to continue your lift - thats what rehabilitation is all about isnt it? Nowt to do with money for me. It's about a convicted rapist being cheered on by several hundred/thousand (depending on what level he plays at) of his own supporters including families, children etc. I would not want my daughter cheering on a man who is a convicted rapist (irrespective of what your thoughts are on the conviction itself), particularly in view of the way he has dealt with the matter. Many professions are 'in the public eye' (sports people, celebreties etc) where a convicted rapist would seriously struggle to work again in their chosen field. In fact, there are many normal jobs where employers would not take on somebody with a rape conviction. If you commit a crime like rape, it's not so straightforward to do your time and then move on with your life as though nothing's happened. It's not petty theft. That's just the way it is and, considering the impact rapists have on the lives of their victims, I have no problem with that. For the record my own opinion on the case itself is that it's very possible Ched Evans has been very unlucky to have been found guilty in the first place. But that doesn't alter my opinion above. Link to post Share on other sites
Danger_Mouse 172 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Part of me thinks that once you have served your time you should then be able to continue your lift - thats what rehabilitation is all about isnt it? But he's not spent it. Sentenced for 5 years in 2012, so he's out on license and could be recalled at any point. To be honest I'm furious at the prison service, probation service etc. for letting him out whilst showing no contrition or remorse. He's still on the sex offender register. He's not served his sentence at all, and won't be rehabilitated. If he wants to get his conviction overturned then fine, but **** off and do it somewhere else. And don't forget, as well as the conviction two Court of Appeal hearings (i.e. 4 more judges) have refused to give him permission to appeal, so I'm happy the judiciary think the verdict is a correct one. And, if he wins his case review, the case will go back to the court of appeal so he'll be back in court on trial again. Is that really something we'd want at the club? Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba 1,851 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Im not saying we should sign him. I am interested though in the view of what professions someone with a criminal history can or cant do as part of their rehabilitation following a spell in prison. Link to post Share on other sites
crowtherjcbravo 698 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 run more Golf Days to compensate?these events are normally sponsored. guess no more golf days. Link to post Share on other sites
Danger_Mouse 172 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Im not saying we should sign him. I am interested though in the view of what professions someone with a criminal history can or cant do as part of their rehabilitation following a spell in prison. I wouldn't employ someone convicted of rape 60 years after their conviction. End of story for me. Link to post Share on other sites
moodyb1 29 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Im not saying we should sign him. I am interested though in the view of what professions someone with a criminal history can or cant do as part of their rehabilitation following a spell in prison. Can't be a solicitor if you have any convictions at all, whether you went to jail or not. I know of one who was barred for stealing a beer glass from a pub. Link to post Share on other sites
Hands Off The Shay 348 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Im not saying we should sign him. I am interested though in the view of what professions someone with a criminal history can or cant do as part of their rehabilitation following a spell in prison. I don't think a lawyer, doctor or accountant could return to work with a criminal conviction under their own regulations. Maybe if football is to be considered as a 'profession' then the governing body should have rules regarding who can play after a criminal conviction but then you have the problem of at what level the rules would apply from eg would it only apply to paid players or players at above a certain level in the football pyramid or only members of the PFA etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites
For ever htfc. 2 Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 If he scores goals, and we get promoted you will all be saying that giving him a second chance was the right thing to do Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba 1,851 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I wouldn't employ someone convicted of rape 60 years after their conviction. End of story for me. Which of course would be against the discrimination act. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Lanzarote 4,538 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Which of course would be against the discrimination act. Do not think you would either Bubba if you employed both female & male staff Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba 1,851 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I am not saying I would. As I say, I am just curious as to what profession is it acceptable for a convicted rapist to continue working in once serving his time and what isnt. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Lanzarote 4,538 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I am not saying I would. As I say, I am just curious as to what profession is it acceptable for a convicted rapist to continue working in once serving his time and what isnt. For me.do not think there is one Bubba.......................certain acts of crime are no.no´s..............ie would you give Gary Glitter a job he has served his time? Link to post Share on other sites
Bazza2al 251 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Is Ched Evans a sexual predator who is a danger to society? Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Lanzarote 4,538 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Is Ched Evans a sexual predator who is a danger to society? According to the law & sex offenders reg. YES Link to post Share on other sites
Bazza2al 251 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 According to the law & sex offenders reg. YES How many lads who go down the Shay will have done what Evans did, yet had no recourse? Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Lanzarote 4,538 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 How many lads who go down the Shay will have done what Evans did, yet had no recourse? A question we cannot answer Bazza......... Link to post Share on other sites
Bazza2al 251 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Indeed. But I bet it's something that happens many times a week in every town in the land. Link to post Share on other sites
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