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Just watched the Man Utd v Arsenal game. Arsenal paid £72million for Pepe never mind Cameron King being better than him I'm better than him. Fred £60million. Dear me the game has really gone mad money.

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4 minutes ago, born to moan said:

Just watched the Man Utd v Arsenal game. Arsenal paid £72million for Pepe never mind Cameron King being better than him I'm better than him. Fred £60million. Dear me the game has really gone mad money.

Totally agree and on Saturday night, two West Ham fans in the pub both said that CK's second was a beauty and a much better goal than the live Premier game had produced 

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Rumour has it Paul Pogba wants £600,000 to stay at Manchester United. 

Went for a pint yesterday and we debated how long before we see the first £1m a week player will be. We aren't far off. 

Weve been blessed with Ronaldo and Messi in the last 13-15 years, but are there any players out there who are genuine superstars ready to take over from them in the next couple of years. Maybe Mbappe but I could name you many more as good as him at his age. 

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6 minutes ago, Icke's Lizard said:

Rumour has it Paul Pogba wants £600,000 to stay at Manchester United. 

Went for a pint yesterday and we debated how long before we see the first £1m a week player will be. We aren't far off. 

Weve been blessed with Ronaldo and Messi in the last 13-15 years, but are there any players out there who are genuine superstars ready to take over from them in the next couple of years. Maybe Mbappe but I could name you many more as good as him at his age. 

No, I don't think there are. As you say above, we had two at the same time and played in the same league but there's no more players of that unique quality coming through, or at least I've not seen or heard of anyone.

United are now the complete opposite of what they were when they became so successful. They had an amazing youth team that nurtures real stars of the game who loved the club and all it stood for. They did sign players for good money but it was on the proviso that they wore the shirt with pride and produced the goods. If not then they were out on their ear. Now, Man U have squad packed with overlaid mercenaries who couldn't give a damn about the short or the club and are solely there for the money.

I'll be honest and say that I've stopped taking much notice in the Premier League now. I'm sick and tired of the money they get and the way they are treated. They ar footballers for Christ sake. They've not found a cure for cancer or discovered life on another planet. They kick a bag of wind up and down and field.

I honestly don't think that Jimmy Hill wanted the players to be paid so much and and have so much power over football clubs and the game as a whole when he fought for a bigger share of money for the players back in the 60's.

It's gone way, way too far 

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25 minutes ago, Erik Everhard said:

No, I don't think there are. As you say above, we had two at the same time and played in the same league but there's no more players of that unique quality coming through, or at least I've not seen or heard of anyone.

United are now the complete opposite of what they were when they became so successful. They had an amazing youth team that nurtures real stars of the game who loved the club and all it stood for. They did sign players for good money but it was on the proviso that they wore the shirt with pride and produced the goods. If not then they were out on their ear. Now, Man U have squad packed with overlaid mercenaries who couldn't give a damn about the short or the club and are solely there for the money.

I'll be honest and say that I've stopped taking much notice in the Premier League now. I'm sick and tired of the money they get and the way they are treated. They ar footballers for Christ sake. They've not found a cure for cancer or discovered life on another planet. They kick a bag of wind up and down and field.

I honestly don't think that Jimmy Hill wanted the players to be paid so much and and have so much power over football clubs and the game as a whole when he fought for a bigger share of money for the players back in the 60's.

It's gone way, way too far 

I have no problems with their wages because if I could then I would!! Let's be honest. But at the risk of sounding hypocritical, it is extortionate. 

I know it's not a football clubs duty to do so but take Liverpool for example. If you've ever been then you'll see and know that Anfield is a deprived area, why can't they throw in some money to feed the needy, mend a leaky chimney pot and roof, buy the local school books or provide PE kit. 

Fair play to Jurgen Klopp who last week said he puts into a charitable fund set up by Juan Mata in which they donate a percentage of their salary to charity each month. 

I hardly watch the premier league these days too because it's too commercialised and I hate how young kids in their respective cities  and towns can't get to matches and carry on family traditions either because it's way too expensive, or some Gloryhunter with no real affiliation to said club has a ticket instead and films it all game to show off that they've been to a "real game" 

There are no star players to take over the Messi's and Ronaldo's shared crown. Just a bunch of average mercenaries getting paid a $h*t load of money to swan around taking instagram selfies with their new diamond encrusted watch or yellow Ferarri. 

 

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38 minutes ago, Icke's Lizard said:

I have no problems with their wages because if I could then I would!! Let's be honest. But at the risk of sounding hypocritical, it is extortionate. 

I know it's not a football clubs duty to do so but take Liverpool for example. If you've ever been then you'll see and know that Anfield is a deprived area, why can't they throw in some money to feed the needy, mend a leaky chimney pot and roof, buy the local school books or provide PE kit. 

Fair play to Jurgen Klopp who last week said he puts into a charitable fund set up by Juan Mata in which they donate a percentage of their salary to charity each month. 

I hardly watch the premier league these days too because it's too commercialised and I hate how young kids in their respective cities  and towns can't get to matches and carry on family traditions either because it's way too expensive, or some Gloryhunter with no real affiliation to said club has a ticket instead and films it all game to show off that they've been to a "real game" 

There are no star players to take over the Messi's and Ronaldo's shared crown. Just a bunch of average mercenaries getting paid a $h*t load of money to swan around taking instagram selfies with their new diamond encrusted watch or yellow Ferarri. 

 

Exactly. When you pay players who are, let's face it, pretty average in the grand scheme of things, £100 000 a week and turn them into multi millionaires they are not going to have the hunger to play the game that a young kid has.

Ok, you will get a Gascoigne type who just loves to play the game, from time to time but the likes of Gazza are very hard to find these days. When I say the likes of Gazza I mean players who would give their right arm to go and play football. Who arrive at training before the other players and are the last player off the training ground at the end and who don't want the training session to end. 

You give a footballer like that millions of pounds he's only going to get into trouble when the final whistle go s and he's got nothing to do.

You hear stories about Stan Bowles nipping in the local pub and bookies near QPR before a game and mixing in like one of the locals. Now we obviously don't want players to drink before a game or gamble but that player and fan being on a par with each other seems to have gone now. I think even in non league there are players that think they're big time.

I've not been to Anfield but I've been to Goodison, which is obviously in the Anfield district. My mates auntie lives there are my mates mum and dad were from there too. It is run down, as are other areas of Liverpool but there's some good sized houses there. Some of them just need a bit of TLC. I find it's shame when they knock the old terrace down and replace them with some of these flimsy build properties that will probably fall apart after about 30 years.

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Yes I agree that some players in non-league think they're big time. They will be on handsome wages and I'd throw Kosylo and Adam Morgan in that bracket and type of player. 

We love Matty Brown coz he's dead honest and normal. I've supped with the fella, watched the match with his dad and Matty Brown would be just like us every Saturday if he wasn't a footballer.

I like how he gets it and understands. A far cry from the way football seems to be going. 

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Get rid of Sky TV and stop paying through the nose for those products paying huge amounts into the sport. That's the only way really, but even if you did do that, millions more would need to do the same.

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6 hours ago, Erik Everhard said:

No, I don't think there are. As you say above, we had two at the same time and played in the same league but there's no more players of that unique quality coming through, or at least I've not seen or heard of anyone.

United are now the complete opposite of what they were when they became so successful. They had an amazing youth team that nurtures real stars of the game who loved the club and all it stood for. They did sign players for good money but it was on the proviso that they wore the shirt with pride and produced the goods. If not then they were out on their ear. Now, Man U have squad packed with overlaid mercenaries who couldn't give a damn about the short or the club and are solely there for the money.

I'll be honest and say that I've stopped taking much notice in the Premier League now. I'm sick and tired of the money they get and the way they are treated. They ar footballers for Christ sake. They've not found a cure for cancer or discovered life on another planet. They kick a bag of wind up and down and field.

I honestly don't think that Jimmy Hill wanted the players to be paid so much and and have so much power over football clubs and the game as a whole when he fought for a bigger share of money for the players back in the 60's.

It's gone way, way too far 

Posting in your Freudian slippers? ;) 

Yes, the money is obscene but, as Town fans know, football is the opium the masses. And let's face it, apart from football, there is bugger all in Britain to shout about right now. 

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1 hour ago, Hoddie said:

Get rid of Sky TV and stop paying through the nose for those products paying huge amounts into the sport. That's the only way really, but even if you did do that, millions more would need to do the same.

Get rid of Sky TV and the game collapses, Man Utd would be first to drop into The Unibond or whatever you call it now. Fooball sold it's Soul years ago, someone else owns it now.

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49 minutes ago, Che Bentos said:

Posting in your Freudian slippers? ;)

Yes, the money is obscene but, as Town fans know, football is the opium the masses. And let's face it, apart from football, there is bugger all in Britain to shout about right now. 

There is a lot to shout about, people are not shouting loud enough.

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Dont forget that these overpaid prima donnas earn massive money and dont actually spend any of it. Everything is taken care of by the clubs. I've just been reading where Real Madrid are now paying for security guards to guard the homes of their players due to a Speight of break ins. Why? Cant they afford their own security. And its this kInd of thing that is pushing the players further and further away from reality.

Did anybody watch the documentary on Sunderland on Netflix? Jack Rodwell (he's now left the club) sat back basically refusing to play for the club but by the same token refusing to void his contract. He was on £70,000 per week for doing nothing other than hanging around the club. He knew they were in trouble financially as well as on the pitch but flat out refused to go find another club. How many other players are out there doing exactly the same kind of thing. 

The real people to blame for the state of the game are the "Fans". They want instant success, but at what cost to the game. They want VAR, but only when it works in their favour. They are killing the game??

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58 minutes ago, archietaylor7 said:

Did anybody watch the documentary on Sunderland on Netflix? Jack Rodwell (he's now left the club) sat back basically refusing to play for the club but by the same token refusing to void his contract. He was on £70,000 per week for doing nothing other than hanging around the club. He knew they were in trouble financially as well as on the pitch but flat out refused to go find another club. How many other players are out there doing exactly the same kind of thing. 

The problem is though that if they were prepared to give him that contract, they have to be prepared to honour it. Why would he voluntarily leave that contract to go get paid £5-10k somewhere else? Why not just stick it out take your money then leave?

Some would argue he's the epitome of the modern footballer for behaving like that (and he is), but equally he'll be thinking why make myself the martyr when everyone else is doing it, just like you say. 

I see no cure for it! Well, not an easy one and certainly not one that is going to happen anytime soon.

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52 minutes ago, Shaytrev said:

The love of money is the root of all evil. Where have I read that before?

Probably the Labour Party manifesto.

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7 minutes ago, greg45 said:

Probably the Labour Party manifesto.

That would be the communist manifesto. No, it ain't in there.

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Best thing Man U could do would be to rid themselves of Pogba & sign themselves some young hungry players if such a player exists. Shame the Vardy's & Milners of this world are the age they are they lead by example. Carrick has never been replaced & it shows.

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2 hours ago, greg45 said:

The problem is though that if they were prepared to give him that contract, they have to be prepared to honour it. Why would he voluntarily leave that contract to go get paid £5-10k somewhere else? Why not just stick it out take your money then leave?

Some would argue he's the epitome of the modern footballer for behaving like that (and he is), but equally he'll be thinking why make myself the martyr when everyone else is doing it, just like you say. 

I see no cure for it! Well, not an easy one and certainly not one that is going to happen anytime soon.

Yes, they have to be prepared to honour the contract, but also has to do his end of that and do his job! If I went to work and refused to do anything I'm pretty sure they wouldn't pay me.

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Just now, riccardo259 said:

Yes, they have to be prepared to honour the contract, but also has to do his end of that and do his job! If I went to work and refused to do anything I'm pretty sure they wouldn't pay me.

It wasn't his choice not to play - the manager just wasn't picking him. As far as I know he turned up to work and trained but just wasn't up to standard. I assume he met whatever minimum criteria they had for fulfilling his contract.

Just shows the benefit of deals where a significant portion of the pay revolves around playing and performance, but I can imagine most agents refuse to sign anything not heavily weighted towards base pay regardless of performance.

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11 hours ago, Icke's Lizard said:

Rumour has it Paul Pogba wants £600,000 to stay at Manchester United. 

 

Pogba is worth more to Man Utd in a commercial sense than he is in a footballing one so they will probably pay his demands.

I don't agree with the OP that players at the top level are poor, they would not be playing at that level if that was the case. Its the gulf in finance that irritates me, to think a top premier league player earns more in a fortnight than our squad does in a season is just plain wrong. That said i don't see the bubble bursting anytime soon, its just too popular worldwide now and will get bigger if anything.

 

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biggest drain on football is the Agent payments.

Agents should have to be employed by players and take a commission from players (like in show biz).  N o club should have to pay Agents fees.

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4 hours ago, Shaytrev said:

There is a lot to shout about, people are not shouting loud enough.

Maybe I should stop taking the tabloids. :)

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8 minutes ago, rdj said:

biggest drain on football is the Agent payments.

Agents should have to be employed by players and take a commission from players (like in show biz).  N o club should have to pay Agents fees.

I agree.

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1 minute ago, Che Bentos said:

Maybe I should stop taking the tabloids. :)

We have the internet now, no need to take tabloids or anything else.

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