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The difference is that the football club's board have shown nothing but class for 5 years or so, and the rugby club's board have acted appallingly. And I'm far from a Bossomworth fan but he makes Steele and Abbot look like amateurs.

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The difference is that the football club's board have shown nothing but class for 5 years or so, and the rugby club's board have acted appallingly. And I'm far from a Bossomworth fan but he makes Steele and Abbot look like amateurs.

 

Its irrelevant in the scheme of things. The animosity dates back longer than 5 years.

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I agree, but the new board at Halifax Town created a chance to draw a line under the past, but Steele and co have refused to take it. And prior to that the animosity largely existed because the rugby club continued to train on the Shay despite repeated requests from the SST that they desist. Prior to that it was down to the rugby club refusing to pay for equipment and then asking to use it anyway. Prior to that it was down to Fax not coming up with the cash from the sale of Thrum Hall.

 

The only black mark I can see in Town's column is when they stopped paying the rent for a short period while they were in administration - and that was the decision of the administrator and not the club. And it's not as though Fax are strangers to administration in any case, what is it? Three times in recent memory compared to twice for the Shaymen? Yet somehow Town's period of administration is unforgiveable.

 

As far as I can tell there's only one person who's been there throughout all of this - and that's Steele. And he's not exactly winning the hearts and minds of the Calderdale public by lying through his teeth in order to make out it's Halifax Town's fault that Fax hadn't been paying its rent. He's an absolute disgrace.

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I am sick of hearing this when Town went bust they left local businesses etc etc.

 

Yep very true disgraceful.

 

Now look at the list of creditors for one of the causes:

 

Builders, Contractors, etc etc, why  would a football club have those as creditors?

 

Simple they took on a massive ground redevelopment foolishly on the promise of money from sale of ???

 

No excuse for trading while insolvent, no excuse for how it was managed, no excuse for many things but really for those huge sums to builders look closer to home Greg.

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I am sick of hearing this when Town went bust they left local businesses etc etc.

 

Yep very true disgraceful.

 

Now look at the list of creditors for one of the causes:

 

Builders, Contractors, etc etc, why  would a football club have those as creditors?

 

Simple they took on a massive ground redevelopment foolishly on the promise of money from sale of ???

 

No excuse for trading while insolvent, no excuse for how it was managed, no excuse for many things but really for those huge sums to builders look closer to home Greg.

 

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I agree, but the new board at Halifax Town created a chance to draw a line under the past, but Steele and co have refused to take it. And prior to that the animosity largely existed because the rugby club continued to train on the Shay despite repeated requests from the SST that they desist. Prior to that it was down to the rugby club refusing to pay for equipment and then asking to use it anyway. Prior to that it was down to Fax not coming up with the cash from the sale of Thrum Hall.

 

The only black mark I can see in Town's column is when they stopped paying the rent for a short period while they were in administration - and that was the decision of the administrator and not the club. And it's not as though Fax are strangers to administration in any case, what is it? Three times in recent memory compared to twice for the Shaymen? Yet somehow Town's period of administration is unforgiveable.

 

As far as I can tell there's only one person who's been there throughout all of this - and that's Steele. And he's not exactly winning the hearts and minds of the Calderdale public by lying through his teeth in order to make out it's Halifax Town's fault that Fax hadn't been paying its rent. He's an absolute disgrace.

 

Can you give us details of when Fax have gone in to administration in recent history? This seems to be a common theme from Town fans but if I recall correctly there was just the once in the very early 90's in recent times but I guess it depends what you call recent times because they could have gone in to admin pre 85 at some point but im not sure.

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I am sick of hearing this when Town went bust they left local businesses etc etc.

 

Yep very true disgraceful.

 

Now look at the list of creditors for one of the causes:

 

Builders, Contractors, etc etc, why  would a football club have those as creditors?

 

Simple they took on a massive ground redevelopment foolishly on the promise of money from sale of ???

 

No excuse for trading while insolvent, no excuse for how it was managed, no excuse for many things but really for those huge sums to builders look closer to home Greg.

 

 

Make your own mind up but on the list below at first glance it seems money owed to the people you mention is quite minimal. There are obviously somethings there but its debatable how much they had to do with the ground and without much evidence its hard to say. Again blaming Halifax RLFC for the mess Town found themselves in is a long way off the mark but I think most reasonable Town fans can see that.

 

Halifax Town creditor claims summary report

Armstrong Watson, Victoria Place, Carlisle, 1,350;

All-Glass, Ripponden Mill, Mill Fold, Ripponden, 165;

Arrowmax Structures Ltd, c/o DLA, Fountain Precinct, Balm Green, Sheffield, 4,952.61;

Bradford MDC, Sports and Leisure Service, Aireworth Road, Keighley, 2,551.99;

Bear 21, c/o Davenham Trade Finance Ltd, PO Box 765, 8, St John Street, Manchester, 53.32;

Mr R. Bland, Brow Cottage, Clay House Lane, Greetland, 17,750;

B and S Coaches, Rochdale Road, Walsden, Todmorden, 1,875;

Belvec Ltd, The Weavers/Shay Banqueting, Shay Stadium, Halifax, 770.16;

B. Fielding Associates, New Road, Halifax, 1,000;

Brentwood Market, Unit R5, Tenterfield Business Park, Halifax, nil; Brighouse High School, Finkil Street, Brighouse, 173.51;

British Telecom, BT Business Division, PP 9A Telecom House, 35, Lisbon Street, Leeds, 784.26;

Dr R.T. Brown, Landemere Syke, Northowram, Halifax, 1,963.28; BUPA Hospital, Staines, Middlesex, 3,265.90;

BMW Financial Services (GB) Ltd, Europa House, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, 12,125.69;

Julia Brierley, Free School Lane, Halifax 900;

Bobby Barr, Highroad Well Lane, Halifax, Nil;

Coach Options, 768, Manchester Road, Castleton, Rochdale, 5,690;

Calderdale MBC, Chief Finance Officer, Princess Buildings, Halifax, 517;

Computec, Unit 14, Moorlands Business Centre, Balme Road, Cleckheaton, 176.25;

Mr D. Cairns, 23, Nelson Street, Sowerby Bridge, Halifax, 9,338;

Calder Cabins, Unit 8, High Level Way Industrial Estate, Queens Road, Halifax, 3,145.49;

Calderdale Council, Director of Finance, Princess Buildings, Halifax, 587.11;

City Graphics (BFD), 200, Pasture Lane, Clayton, Bradford, 500;

Comcen Computer Supplies Ltd, Bruce Road, Swansea Industrial Estate, Swansea, 235.

Ms D. Clayton Smith, Hollybank Road, Lindley, Huddersfield, 825;

Russell Church-Kenningham, Green End, Clayton, Bradford, 137;

D. Cairns, Keswick Close, Siddal, Halifax 2,000;

DM Posters, Balmoral Drive, Hindley, Wigan, 564;

Dunn-Line Holdings Ltd, The Coach Station, Park Lane, Basford, 2,810;

Ian Entwistle, Millmoor House, 45a Colders Lane, Meltham, 220;

Fraser Eagle Coaching, Pendle Court, 4, Mead Way, Burnley, 3,875;

Fit 4 Sport, Unit 2, Millking Green, Hartshead Street, Lees, Oldham, 352.27;

Mrs A. Firth, High Lane, Norton Tower, Halifax, 2,932.47;

Fat Cat Trading Company, Albert Street, Hebden Bridge, 169.20;

Football Association, 25, Soho Square, London, Nil; Roy Ford, 49, Jepson Lane, Elland, 1,200;

Football Trust, 25, Soho Square, London, 56,000;

Geoff Ralph Association, Clare Road, Halifax, 27,108.75;

HT Direct Limited, Beetham, Water Hill Lane, Warley, 564;

HM Revenue and Customs, Durrington Bridge House, Barrington Road, Worthing, West Sussex, 242,613.64;

Mr R. Ham, Cotes Garth, Wombleton, York, 20,000;

Mr A. Hall, 21, Riverdale Court, Salterhebble, Halifax, 17,601.00;

Mr R. Harrison, 7, Cliffe Cottage, Cliffe Hill Lane, Warley, Halifax, 18,096;

Halifax PLC, Trinity Road, Halifax, 916.75;

Hipperholme and Lightcliffe, Stoney Lane, Lightcliffe, 4,944.33;

HM Revenue and Customs, Durrington Bridge House, Barrington Road, Worthing, 243,058;

Hall Decorating and Painting , Turner Court Works, Hall Street North, Boothtown, 414;

Janice and Richard Holden, 88, Alban's Road, Halifax, 300;

R. Holmes 13, West Place, Wimbledon Common, London, 15,000;

A Hall, Parish Lea, Gibraltar Road, Halifax, 2,000;

Intrak Sound and Light, 6, Delany Drive, Freckleton, Preston, 5,640;

Mr P. Jewitt, EMS Ltd, 2, Church Street, Dewsbury, 3,966;

Jacamast Ltd, Colne Bridge Works, Bradley, Huddersfield, 193,034.31;

J. Eastwood and Son, The Warehouse, Lower Lister Lane, Halifax, 23.50:

J. Nixon and Co, Head Office, Water Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, 2,136.36;

Keele University, The Income Office, Finance Department, Keele, 2,548.29;

Kirkdale Laundry Services, 526, Gibbet Street, Highroad Well, Halifax, 464;

Keller Engineering, Thorpe Arch Estate, Wetherby, 5,522.50;

Loomis UK Ltd, 5th Floor, City Gate East, Tollhouse, Nottingham, 230.39;

Lupton Fawcett Solicitors, Yorkshire House, Greek Street, Leeds, 500;

Lloyds TSB Bank, Commercial Street, Halifax, 75,417;

Ian Maclennan, The Consulting Rooms, 23, Anson Road, Manchester, 190;

Mr R. Moreland, Hornbeam House, Langford, Market Drayton, Shropshire, 7,203;

Metro Sports, Metnor House, Mylord Crescent, Killingworth, Newcastle upon Tyne 338.40;

Milans Wine Bar Hotel, 6-8, Carlton Place, Halifax, 176.25;

Mel Green Construction, Parkfield Garage, George Street, Elland, 262.35;

Nations Healthcare Ltd, Park Road, Eccleshill, 293.75;

National Insurance Fund, Redundancy Payments Office, Ladywell House, Ladywell Road, Edinburgh, 47,160;

Network Lifts, Kirkfield Industrial Estate, Kirk Lane, Yeadon 11,850.60;

Online Computer Supplies Ltd, c/o Royal Bank of Scotland, Smith House, PO Box 50, Elmwood Avenue, Feltham, Middlesex, 206.80;

Petron Design Ltd, Webster Mills, Webster Street, Dewsbury, 70.50;

Mr S. Peacock, Caterleisure Ltd, 197-199, Main Street, Wilsden, Bradford, 60,763;

J. Pugh Lewis, Pilsley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, 1,086;

PPP Healthcare, Philips House, Crescent Road, Tunbridge Wells, 97.68;

Premier Sports Medicals, York House, Grimsdyke Road, Middlesex, 365.06;

Printability 2000 Ltd, Concept House, Westwick Park, Broombank Road, Chestefield, 9,205;

Mr G. Ralph, Yarborough Croft, Northowram, Halifax, 340,000;

Rastrick High School, Field Top Road, Rastrick, Brighouse, 2,820;

Rayroy Products (Slapton)Ltd, Unit 1, Hillcroft Works, Stewkley, Soulbury, Leyton Buzzard, 312.08;

Reydon Sports Plc, Unit 17, Easter Park, Nottingham, 258.54;

R.M. Barnett Ltd, The Barn, Towngate, Hepworth, Huddersfield, 195,921;

Radcliffe Plant Hire, Queens Square, Leeds Road, Huddersfield, 269;

Michael Riley, c/o Wilkinson Woodward, 11, Fountain Street, Halifax, Nil;

Mr R. J. Crabtree, Broadwood, Cragg Vale, 22,000;

SW Business Services 15/17, Carlton Street, Halifax, 53.06;

Spencer Wilson and Co, 15/17, Carlton Street, Halifax, 5,547.18;

Shay Stadium Trust Ltd, Shay Stadium, Halifax, 14,100;

Sarah Scott, c/o Gary Kirwan, The Chartered Society of Physios, 14, Bedford Row, London, Nil;

Mr S. J. Shaw, consultant orthopaedic surgeon, 7, Moor Park Avenue, Preston, 740;

Scottish and Newcastle Retail Ltd, Riverside House, Riverside Way, Northampton, 432.60;

Security Services, 546.55;

Sportskit Pro Soccer, Unit 7, Airfield Way, Christchurch, Dorset, 537;

St John Ambulance, South and West Yorkshire, Healey Road, Ossett, Wakefield, 1,316.

Studd Menswear, 10, Old Hall Street, Middleton, Greater Manchester, 146;

Smith and Curry, 9,794;

T-Moile UK, PO Box 719, Camberley, Surrey, 226.27;

3A Building Supplies, Link Business Park, Knowle Lane, Huddersfield, 174;

Team Premier Ltd, Team Premier House, Unit 11 Metro Centre, Ronsons Way, St Albans, 742.32;

The Design Sauce Ltd, Trinity House, Robbey Close, Linby, Nottingham, Nil;

The Sports Cabin, Westgate, Halifax, 1,086.90;

The West Yorkshire Physiotherapy and Sports Injury Centre, The Old School House, Towngate, Wyke, 340;

The Yorkshire Clinic, Bradford Road, Bingley, 985,14;

TM Newburn Power Rental Services, PO Box 224, Halifax, 264.37;

Trimillin UK Ltd, Unit 16, St James Industrial Estate, Westhampton Road, West Sussex, 292.55;

Trinity Insurance Advisors Ltd, Trinity House, Harrison Road, Halifax, 1,299.59;

Turnstile Service 2000 Ltd, Swan House, Bonds Mill Estate, Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, 1,815.30;

Tarmac Precast Concrete Ltd, Tallington Factory, Tallington, Stamford, Lincs, 30,820.45;

The Harris Partnership, Project Manager, 24, St Johns North, Wakefield, 4,894;

D.C. Tait, Yew Mount, 196, Halifax Road, Brighouse, 42,000;

UK Sports Products Ltd, 8, Newham Road, Bedford, 214.53;

Vision Colour Print, Adwalton Business Park, 132, Wakefield Road, Drighlington, 6,341;

Village Press, The Nook, Sowerby Bridge, 72;

Wilkinson Woodward Solicitors, 11, Fountain Street, Halifax, 881.25;

West Yorkshire Police Authority, Finance Department, Laburnum Road, Wakefield, 4,468.34;

Wakefield MRI Centre, Aberford Road, Wakefield, 310;

West Riding Organics, 147, Brights Building, New Mill Road, Honley, Holmfirth, 381.88;

West Yorkshire Metro Ambulance, Threelands, Bradford Road, Birkenshaw, Bradford, 381.88;

Walker May, The Stone Yard, Bedford Street North, Halifax, 765;

White Young Green, Regatta House, Clippers Quay Salford Quays, Manchester, 25,000;

Mr A. Watson, Hill Top Mount, Leeds 725;

Westgrove Street PI and C, 3, Clare Road, Halifax, 30,000;

Anne and Peter Wood, Lindrick Way, Bradshaw, Halifax, 300;

David Wills, c/o James Chapman and Co, 76, King Street, Manchester, Nil;

Mr R. F. Walker, Stoneleigh Barn, Brighouse and Denholme Gate Road, Shelf, 42,000;

W and D Properties Ltd, 5, Yarborough Croft, Northowram, Halifax, 34,000;

Xara Sportswear Ltd, Suite F, Riverview House, Frairton Road, Perth, 19,739.82;

Zurich, Froomsgate House, 1, Rupert Street, Bristol, 213.85.

Total 2,007,846.50.

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and the bulk of the debt was to HMRC, Geoff Ralph and other directors. Jamacast was the biggest builder debt I believe

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shocking to see how bad it got, hopefully this will never happen again.

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GFB throwing up the previous club's administration again.  How much did Halifax RLFC owe when they went into administration in the early 90's?

 

HYPOCRITE.

 

To be fair the old club was on life support for years, but if you think that the failure to provide the promised money from Thrum Hall had no bearing at all on HTFC's subsequent financial problems then you are wrong.

 

Full stop.

 

Any chance of a relationship between the clubs has been ruined by that set of plonkers on your BOD and their actions over the last however many years, cumulating in the shyster Abbott's failed purchase of The Shay which was blindly supported by the hypocritical Fax fans, who not long ago marched side by side with us to protest AGAINST private ownership.

 

Fools.

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according to Fax twitter, it's a "big news weekend"

 

another sponsored walk? ;)


GFB throwing up the previous club's administration again.  How much did Halifax RLFC owe when they went into administration in the early 90's?

 

 

 

 

something around £760k I believe - not sure how much that would be in today's money

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GFB throwing up the previous club's administration again.  How much did Halifax RLFC owe when they went into administration in the early 90's?

 

HYPOCRITE.

 

To be fair the old club was on life support for years, but if you think that the failure to provide the promised money from Thrum Hall had no bearing at all on HTFC's subsequent financial problems then you are wrong.

 

Full stop.

 

Any chance of a relationship between the clubs has been ruined by that set of plonkers on your BOD and their actions over the last however many years, cumulating in the shyster Abbott's failed purchase of The Shay which was blindly supported by the hypocritical Fax fans, who not long ago marched side by side with us to protest AGAINST private ownership.

 

Fools.

Even as a rugby fan it's impossible to argue with this.

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something around £760k I believe - not sure how much that would be in today's money

 

Over £1.5 million allowing for inflation.

 

Hypocrites.

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GFB throwing up the previous club's administration again.  How much did Halifax RLFC owe when they went into administration in the early 90's?

 

HYPOCRITE.

 

To be fair the old club was on life support for years, but if you think that the failure to provide the promised money from Thrum Hall had no bearing at all on HTFC's subsequent financial problems then you are wrong.

 

Full stop.

 

Any chance of a relationship between the clubs has been ruined by that set of plonkers on your BOD and their actions over the last however many years, cumulating in the shyster Abbott's failed purchase of The Shay which was blindly supported by the hypocritical Fax fans, who not long ago marched side by side with us to protest AGAINST private ownership.

 

Fools.

 

Did you even bother reading the rest of the thread, your reply is akin to speaking without thinking.

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Did you even bother reading the rest of the thread, your reply is akin to speaking without thinking.

Yep.

Relationship building = no chance because of the rugby clubs lying shyster BOD and hypocritical deluded fans.

HLRFC lack of thrum hall money = contributed to HTFC financial problems.

HTFC administration - any reason to bring it up = hypocrites.

Job done.

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Maybe take a bit more time when reading next time.

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The list of creditors features 3 obvious builders, plus a number of others:

 

Jacamast Ltd £193034.31

RM Barnett £195921.00

Tarmac Precast £30820.45

 

Total £419,775.76

 

Well over 20% of the debt in just 3 of them. And of course that wasn't what was paid out by HTFC to builders to get the stadium to where it was, that's what was not paid.

HTFC went out of business because the HMRC plus the two builders out voted the CVA. 

What led up to it was HTFC attempting to complete the development single handed, along with everything else.

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HTFC should have raised an invoice to HRLFC for their contribution to the stadium then the true position would have been known!

 

I think ASDA paid 1.5 million for Thrum Hall. I am not sure that it was ever published how much was paid out of that by the Thrum Hall trust to HRLFC.

 

You have to think that HRLFC knew all along they wouldn't be able to contribute to the Shay stadium but naturally kept quiet.

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now £20 to watch the eggers from the Sandal BMW Stand next season, £17 from the Sandal Mini Stand

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see they have signed 3 Aussies (or something) - thought they were part-time - so will they have to pay them full time wages, house them, give them a car etc? Is that what the increased admission will pay for - over to GFB

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see they have signed 3 Aussies (or something) - thought they were part-time - so will they have to pay them full time wages, house them, give them a car etc? Is that what the increased admission will pay for - over to GFB

 

2 Aussies, one Cook islander. As far as i know none of them will be full time(it would be fun trying to have a training session with just 3 players) and all 3 are backing their own talent so could maybe see the club as a stepping stone to a SL contract and as such I think they will be sorting out their own digs and I would be amazed if any of them would be getting a car thrown in, its not the 90's any more. I guess the scrapping of the unders will also save them close on 100K as well so maybe that has been offset against their wages.

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2 Aussies, one Cook islander. As far as i know none of them will be full time(it would be fun trying to have a training session with just 3 players) and all 3 are backing their own talent so could maybe see the club as a stepping stone to a SL contract and as such I think they will be sorting out their own digs and I would be amazed if any of them would be getting a car thrown in, its not the 90's any more. I guess the scrapping of the unders will also save them close on 100K as well so maybe that has been offset against their wages.

"scrapping of the unders" - is that the U20's team you have scrapped then?

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